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Post by
Orranis
smoke weed or murder,
I can't believe you get incredibly *!@#ed at us when we 'offend' your religion, yet you're happy to group us with murderers.
Want me to justify my pick? I remember him saying that he doesn't smoke from another thread and I believe we all consider murder wrong. If you really want me to I'll edit those reasons out and pick new ones.
/shrug
Still, when someone I don't even agree with says that MyTie doesn't believe in Jesus, you think he's offending your faith, despite the fact it's aimed at MyTie, not your religion, you find it offensive.
Then you go and say 'You don't smoke weed or murder people, so you're a good person.' Does that make me not a good person? Are you likening me to a murder because I don't let other people choose what chemicals pass in and out of my body? Because I like that freedom?
I probably wouldn't have had such a problem with the statement if it wasn't hypocritical, because you're so quick to take offense yourself.
Post by
Monday
smoke weed or murder,
I can't believe you get incredibly *!@#ed at us when we 'offend' your religion, yet you're happy to group us with murderers.
Want me to justify my pick? I remember him saying that he doesn't smoke from another thread and I believe we all consider murder wrong. If you really want me to I'll edit those reasons out and pick new ones.
/shrug
Still, when someone I don't even agree with says that MyTie doesn't believe in Jesus, you think he's offending your faith, despite the fact it's aimed at MyTie, not your religion, you find it offensive.
Then you go and say 'You don't smoke weed or murder people, so you're a good person.' Does that make me not a good person? Are you likening me to a murder because I don't let other people choose what chemicals pass in and out of my body? Because I like that freedom?
I probably wouldn't have had such a problem with the statement if it wasn't hypocritical, because you're so quick to take offense yourself.
Alrighty...
So
1). The only reason I responded thus was because A. He made it seem like anyone not in the religion is a filthy heathen. I like many atheists on the board (including you) so to me this isn't true. B. Dragon is being an incredible D-bag as all he has done so far is flame people (Except for the above comment). At least when I made a controversial point I was making it in regards to another persons comment which was a question aimed at everyone.
2) 'You don't smoke weed or murder people, so you're a good person. Did I say that? No. I said that he doesn't do those, thus he his not chaotic, because he obeys the law. However he doesn't try to keep the law itself (I haven't seen any evidence he values the law), thus I don't count him lawful.
I can't believe you get incredibly *!@#ed at us when we 'offend' your religion, yet you're happy to group us with murderers.
And lastly the only group is law breakers. That is why loiterers are in the same group as mass murderers,. They broke the law. Did I say that smoking weed was as bad as murder? Heck no. It was a random example I pulled from the top of my head.
Anything else?
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273605
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Post by
Skreeran
There's some dispute as to whether or not you fall under the "Good" category. You said you make decisions based on morals - your own morals, that is. Miko from OOTS is a perfect example of how someone who considers themself Lawful Good can really be Lawful Neutral.
Ugh... leave me along.
MyTie is a good person, because he does what he thinks is the right thing to do.
I am a good person, because I do what I think is the right thing to do.
No matter how opposite our views, or what we consider the views of each other to be, we are both good people because we do what we think is right.Personally, I don't believe in good or evil, besides what we are culturally and psychologically programmed to believe is good and evil.
What do you mean 'I don't believe in good or evil?' If you believe there is an action that is right and an action that is wrong, you believe in good and evil, however you may label it. It's pretty clear you do.For practical purposes, I believe that there are good and bad decisions in relation to oneself. I don't want my family to die, so I would save them from dying, even if I don't believe that killing is objectively wrong. I would probably save a random person, too, just because I'm biologically inclined toward empathy. There's nothing I can do about it.
But I understand that it is electrical signals and chemicals in my brain that cause that empathy, and that I only do those things because they make me feel better, not because they are objectively good or evil.
Post by
TheMediator
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but is someone saying that smoking weed is evil?
I'm laughing. Because weed can make you into a psychopathic killer, and being highly religious can't.
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278900
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Post by
Monday
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but is someone saying that smoking weed is evil?
I'm laughing. Because weed can make you into a psychopathic killer, and being highly religious can't.
You are misunderstanding.
Smoking weed is against the law. Thus those who do it (except in extreme occasions) aren't lawful.
I never said it made you evil.
Because weed can make you into a psychopathic killer, and being highly religious can't.
OK, so we hear about crimes in the Middle East stemming from religion all the time. /shrug
However let's look at America. Look at drug to religion crime ratio.
Drug crimes are a lot larger.
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149406
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Post by
TheMediator
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but is someone saying that smoking weed is evil?
I'm laughing. Because weed can make you into a psychopathic killer, and being highly religious can't.
You are misunderstanding.
Smoking weed is against the law. Thus those who do it (except in extreme occasions) aren't lawful.
I never said it made you evil.
Mmm. Alright. Makes sense. I can see why he could have taken offense though, it would be like saying "Oh, you desire an orderly law abiding society? You're just like Adolf Hitler."
I like Skeeran's response by the way, even though I don't neccesarily agree.
Post by
Monday
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but is someone saying that smoking weed is evil?
I'm laughing. Because weed can make you into a psychopathic killer, and being highly religious can't.
You are misunderstanding.
Smoking weed is against the law. Thus those who do it (except in extreme occasions) aren't lawful.
I never said it made you evil.
Mmm. Alright. Makes sense. I can see why he could have taken offense though, it would be like saying "Oh, you desire an orderly law abiding society? You're just like Adolf Hitler."
I like Skeeran's response by the way, even though I don't neccesarily agree.
Yeah... I wasn't being very tactful with the original reply =P
its because the demographics are vastly different.
The middle east is filled with racial/religious tension. A lot of the countries over there have governments and lifestyles based around their religions.
Here in the states... not so much anymore.
Exactly. I was pointing out that in America, where most of us live there aren't large murders int he name of religion, but there are in the name of drugs (or more accurately, the money that comes from selling them.)
Post by
Orranis
Drug crimes are a lot larger.
...Are you sure about that? I'm not sure either, but I can reassure you Marijuana has not killed nearly as many people as say, 9/11. Perhaps we could have some sources sited.
I'm not arguing against religion here, but in defense of myself.
Plus, why does it matter if it's in America or not?
On the Mediator-MyTie debate, my misunderstanding, I'll drop it.
Edit: I find it funny how we are chill in L&RP, but are dramatically opposed in randomness.
Post by
TheMediator
I suppose I should have been more specific and said the use of weed (since your post directly addressed "smoking weed"). How often is someone driven to kill because he smoked weed? How does that compare to the number of people who have killed because of religion's direct influence on their life? Hell, 9/11 probably has beat the number of kills that have occured when normal folk smoked weed and were driven into a radical killing frenzy.
...Are you sure about that? I'm not sure either, but I can reassure you Marijuana has not killed nearly as many people as say, 9/11. Perhaps we could have some sources sited.
Exactly.
Post by
Monday
Edit: I find it funny how we are chill in L&RP, but are dramatically opposed in randomness.
This^^
...Are you sure about that? I'm not sure either, but I can reassure you Marijuana has not killed nearly as many people as say, 9/11. Perhaps we could have some sources sited.
2,752 for 9/11
Source
8,463 as of Dec 31, 2008
Source
(The sources are in the article itself, and some are in spanish.)
More recent estimate puts the count at 9,500 by the mexican government, and in Brazil According to the government's public safety secretariat, there are nearly 23,000 drug-related homicides a year.
Source
So...
I suppose I should have been more specific and said the use of weed (since your post directly addressed "smoking weed")
I should have as well. I meant to say using drugs (and since it is considered a drug...)
Hell, 9/11 probably has beat the number of kills that have occured when normal folk smoked weed and were driven into a radical killing frenzy.
For sure. (And I'm being serious too.)
Note: I'm not sure how accurate some of those sources are, but...
Post by
278900
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Post by
Orranis
Edit: I find it funny how we are chill in L&RP, but are dramatically opposed in randomness.
This^^
...Are you sure about that? I'm not sure either, but I can reassure you Marijuana has not killed nearly as many people as say, 9/11. Perhaps we could have some sources sited.
2,752 for 9/11
Source
8,463 as of Dec 31, 2008
Source
(The sources are in the article itself, and some are in spanish.)
More recent estimate puts the count at 9,500 by the mexican government, and in Brazil According to the government's public safety secretariat, there are nearly 23,000 drug-related homicides a year.
Source
So...
Oh, of course I disagree with the drug war, but not the drug itself.
You realize that there wouldn't be a drug war, or at least one that has anything to do with the average American pot smoker, if it was legal in the U.S.?
Edit: Also, most of the drug war is about cocaine and methamphetamine.
Post by
HiVolt
According to the government's public safety secretariat, there are nearly 23,000 drug-related homicides a year.
Source
So...
Drug-related ! = Marijuana exclusively.
Just sayin'.
Post by
Monday
According to the government's public safety secretariat, there are nearly 23,000 drug-related homicides a year.
Source
So...
Drug-related ! = Marijuana exclusively.
Just sayin'.
I never said Marijuana. Well I did say weed, but as I said in my edited post before I meant that whole study on alll drugs.
You realize that there wouldn't be a drug war, or at least one that has anything to do with the average American pot smoker, if it was legal in the U.S.?
But what would the consequences be of the drug? There's a reason it's illegal.
Post by
Orranis
You realize that there wouldn't be a drug war, or at least one that has anything to do with the average American pot smoker, if it was legal in the U.S.?
But what would the consequences be of the drug? There's a reason it's illegal.
Jee, I don't know...
A release of dopamine, making the user happy, as terrible as it sounds.
Near to no risk of physical health problems, unless of course you have asthma or are allergic, and no mental problems that can be directly linked to it?
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