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Post by
catlady
ArP is viable for SV at ICC25H gearlevels. Explosive Shot, Black Arrow, and Serpent, yes, but there's still an awful lot of Steadies, Aimeds, and Autos flying from a SV Hunter.
No, no, no, no and no. It doesnt bend that way.
Yes, SV benefits from some ArP. Yes ArPen ON GEAR is good for a SV hunter. No, Gemming or enchanting for ArP as an SV hunter isn't viable. Agility gems and enchants will be better. The only reason either spec should gem Armor Pen is to try to reach the cap with a trinket proc. If an SV hunter is that close to the cap, there were better gear choices s/he could have made that had more agility and less armpen, and the overall effect of going with that gear and gemming agility would be a dps increase.
Herkuml War Token is not a
bad
trinket. It out-DPSes Mirror and is on-par with Greatness. The thing is, there are
so many other better upgrades
to be had for that 60 Emblem of Frost cost that buying one is legitimately pants-on-head, paint-chip-eatingly retarded.
True. If you already have The T10: Helm, chest, gloves, shoulders, (and legs as SV), the emblem belt, the crafted boots, the crafted legs (MM hunters with poor luck on drops/any hunter not running 25m ICC), the emblem cloak. . .
In addition you might want to buy and sell saronites for
Wodin's Lucky Necklace
or
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50379
.
If you have all that, and are still using the DMC:G and the MoT, feel free to buy the HWT to replace the MoT.
Post by
Streifen9984
Gemming armor pen because you heard you should be an "Arp mm hunter".
Or worse yet, gemming arp as survival.
A 78 hunter in my guild started filling his blues with ArPen. He asked a question about how much he was supposed to have in guild chat. He was MM, I promptly informed him not to get advice from trade chat, to regem agility, and did recommend SV due to my recent successes the first time I tried it. I also told him he wanted over 800 ArPen and ICC Epics. He was sad, but he'll be fine after shooting things in the face.
It's like there's this virus, a misinformation virus, that was created by an evil scientist and injected into the general population. How do we curb this epidemic?
A CATACLYSM! BOOOOOM!
Post by
Rilgon
No, no, no, no and no. It doesnt bend that way.
The last time I looked, the BIS Survival layout on EJ listed Fractured Rubies in everything. That said, I haven't checked that in like... a month? so I may be slightly invalid there.
The point stands - if you have to ask these forums how to gem, and you're SV, don't freaking gem ArPen. :P
Post by
Streifen9984
We need a spokesman for the fight against the HWT...
What is Shatner doing nowadays? Other than kung-fu pricechopping flights and hotel deals...
northern, get on it, call his agent!
Post by
bobn9lvu
This whole thread really shows hunters the bias some of the posters have against a clearly viable upgrade.
The HWT is better than the DMG for MM hunters specially in situations where they can minimize. movement.
In situations where there is a lot of movement and or target switching, the DMG can be a better choice.
I personally picked it up because it IS an upgrade.
I do have 4xT10, LDW legs, boots, cloak, neck and ALOT of primal saronite in the bank.
I have only seen better trinkets drop maybe 4 times, and was either out-rolled, or lost out to DKP.
ALSO when Cataclysm hits, I really do believe that HWT will become more valuable DUE to the haste it has, that will help increase focus regeneration.
The level of negativity shown against a viable upgrade is not warranted and really should not be.
Post by
138583
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Post by
Streifen9984
...trying to justify my waste of emblems...
It is warranted. Because it is being used as a GS boost, and it isnt a good upgrade for us. If you're unlucky enough to have full t10, money, and no good trinkets, and nothing else to spend your emblems on, then yes, grab it, whatever.
People come in, with a piece or 2 of triumph gear, and are thinking this is their next best purchase, we're trying to quash this idea before it spreads further. And providing alternatives to them which would help them gain access to better trinkets that they would benefit from more, via raids. Usually they should grab a couple other pieces of gear that would benefit them more than the HWT.
Post by
494341
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Post by
Miyari
Just for the record, your topic would be less likely to get locked if you did not introduce your discussion or thoughts in such a subjective manner by calling people idiots. That's not exactly how a PSA should work, it's borderline trolling - it doesn't matter how right you may be. :P
Post by
494341
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Post by
bobn9lvu
I personally picked it up because it IS an upgrade.
I do have 4xT10, LDW legs, boots, cloak, neck and ALOT of primal saronite in the bank.
I have only seen better trinkets drop maybe 4 times, and was either out-rolled, or lost out to DKP.
ALSO when Cataclysm hits, I really do believe that HWT will become more valuable DUE to the haste it has, that will help increase focus regeneration.
The level of negativity shown against a viable upgrade is not warranted and really should not be.
1. Good for you, you got an upgrade, we aren't condescending you for that.
You also have your 4pc, legs, boots, and DMC. You're an exception, get it? You had the badges to spare and didn't need gold.
2. By the time CATACLYSM is released, and you've SEEN the trinket drops, and drop rates, you will have a trinket... or get a better one from sanctum, k?
Unless you're me and used bloodlust brooch until ICC was released and you got needle scorpion/DMC, then come talk to me.
3. It's completely warranted, we don't want joe hunter buying that trash when they need pure stat gains from DMC/crit +proc trinket
LOL
Actually I used,
Fezzik's Pocketwatch
and
http://www.wowhead.com/item=37390
.
Then my 1st epic,
Mirror of Truth
, and I worked very hard to get
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
..
When Icc came out, on my very 1st 5 man I got NES.
After losing out on 5 upgrades or not seeing anything better I decided to get HWT as it was an upgrade on both spreadsheets.
So do not think that your case is unique. You just need to work more on your gear. 8-)
I am surprised that some one with your experience is calling HWT a "trash" trinket.
Post by
494341
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494341
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Post by
Whybag
That means public service announcement, btw.
Hi, stop buying
Herkuml War Token
!
If you
absolutely
need to waste 60 badges, buy saronite and sell it and buy
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
and get a mirror or mark.
If you have your rock steady treads, off set pants from LDW or crafted, you have 4pc t10 sitting in your bank waiting for marks... and you buy it... you are
silly
basically.
If you have that many frost badges, you're clearing ICC past the plagueworks and hopefully aren't
carried
and realize that it's a bad stat.
Thanks!
Honestly dude, ever since you decided to try making threads you've become even more annoying. You used to troll, now you troll and...OHAI GAIS, LOOK @ MAI STICKY 2!
Post by
Whybag
That means public service announcement, btw.
Hi, stop buying
Herkuml War Token
!
If you
absolutely
need to waste 60 badges, buy saronite and sell it and buy
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
and get a mirror or mark.
If you have your rock steady treads, off set pants from LDW or crafted, you have 4pc t10 sitting in your bank waiting for marks... and you buy it... you are
silly
basically.
If you have that many frost badges, you're clearing ICC past the plagueworks and hopefully aren't
carried
and realize that it's a bad stat.
Thanks!
Honestly dude, ever since you decided to try making threads you've become even more annoying. You used to troll, now you troll and...OHAI GAIS, LOOK @ MAI STICKY 2!
Post by
wildx22
Well he
is
making a good point with the thread. As opposed to say... you.
Post by
bobn9lvu
Well, a lot of his posts have very good information in them for a person who doesn't even play the game anymore " his words".
His reason for starting this thread is good, BUT the way he did it leaves a lot to be desired.
If he wants to really help new peeps to be "good" hunters he needs to put himself in their shoes,
and write his posts accordingly.
Post by
494341
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Post by
Biosphere
It's a shame there is soo much hate towards this trinket, sadly I am one of the select few that has this, not because I wanted it, but because I had no other choice and currently still don't.
From Shaman's and paladin's rolling on the NES, to rolling 6,8 & 9 on DBW, and then losing to a DK pushing 4.8k on Saurfang opposed to my 11k I nominate myself as having the most vile luck around lol.
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228908
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