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Motive to murder Cairne Bloodhoof?
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234080
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Post by
Morec0
Further control over the Horde. Think about it: the orcs will follow his command, he's got his warriors basically in control of the Undercity, the trolls and blood elves are too weak and few in number for him to worry about.
If he was able to kill Cairne and replace him with a tauren he could control, then he's got the two strongest (physically) races of the Horde under his thumb.
Post by
Adamsm
If it does happen, you can bet Magtha has a hand in it.
But I really don't think it will; don't forget the rumour came from the same one that Thrall was going to be the Guardian after all.
Post by
taurenmoo812
The whole thing of cairne being replaced came off the back of a rumor started by a fan that got made into an article, based on the one sole fact, that Baine Bloodhoof would be in thunderbluff instead of Cairne. No other evidense was presented to show anything else, and rumor spread.
Post by
Skreeran
The whole thing of cairne being replaced came off the back of a rumor started by a fan that got made into an article, based on the one sole fact, that Baine Bloodhoof would be in thunderbluff instead of Cairne. No other evidense was presented to show anything else, and rumor spread.He knows that.
But I've also heard that these statements are just bollocks and that the departure of Cairne Bloodhoof would be because of natural causes or he will not die at all.
But let's take two latter parts out of the equation, and then ask: "If Garrosh Hellscream is the one to iniate and/or kill Cairne Bloodhoof, what is his main motive to do so?"He's speaking hypothetically.
Post by
HiVolt
It's all about control, absolutely. For a budding leader like Garrosh to not assert control over every aspect of his faction that he could, would be a mistake, as there are likely many who would be against his position of power. That tension leads to dissent, which leads to revolt. If he doesn't rule with an iron fist, he runs the risk of usurpation.
At least, this is how I think Garrosh would think about it. He seems to show signs of being somewhat of a sociopath, so I think that's how he would process the situation.
Post by
Rankkor
let's start by stating the obious that cairne's chance of death is REALLY low, why would they bother to do a concept art of him in cataclysm if he's not gonna be there? plus the rumor was from the same place that not once but twice said Thrall is the next guardian of tirisfal........
but if as you said we're talking hipotetically, then this is the reason I think someone would want cairne dead:
Garrosh is a war leader, he's never been one to resolve problems with diplomacy or mediators, if he dislikes someone (and his hate-list seems to be rather HUGE) he kills them.......
as such, having a pacifist leader like cairne would hinder his authority on the horde........
we all know that the horde is not like the alliance, because the warchief is the supreme authority, if garrosh orders the tauren of thunderbluff to butcher a human village filled with nothing but unarmed civilians, then these taurens have to doit, or else be branded traitors and be killed..........
now, if garrosh gave such an order (and in cataclysm given the reignition of the horde vs alliance crap it seems likely that such scenarios show up) cairne would be forced to obey, but he would also disaprove such orders, his troops would suffer a morale loss.... because they are acting against what their true leader (cairne) wishes, and instead have to obey a diferent leader (garrosh) into doing something dishonorable for them........
we know that in a war, Morale is that one factor that can make a side win or lose a battle, a loss of morale on a battlefield could represent a major defeat or a grand victory depending on who is demoralized.
as such, Garrosh being a dude obsessed with War, he would not want his troops demoralized, the best solution? put as tauren leader someone who agrees with violence, someone who would embrace a fight rather than reject it, instead of Cairne who is like the Ghandi of wow.
what do we REALLY know about baine? almost nothing, we haven't had much chance to explore his personality, or if he's a pacifist like his father is, or if he's a violent bastard like varian and garrosh are, or if he's somewhere between there..............
we know maghta grimtotem has wanted leadership of the tauren for a LONG time, and is allways scheming and plotting in the dark with (as of yet) unseen forces.......
it wound't be such a long strech to asume that if cairne was removed, she would love to put a "puppet leader" in place, because being there in the open as the new leader of the tauren would draw unwanted attention to herself (assassins target the leaders after all)
so, garrosh want's a tauren more inclined towards war, Magtha wants to lead the tauren, Garrosh sets in motion an assassination against cairne, but makes it look as if the alliance did it......
Baine is devastated and crushed to see his father, a long time pacifist murdered by what apears to be the alliance, he wants revenge, the rest of the tauren want revenge, so there's garrosh war-like leader and he's pleased.........
and as for magtha, well, baine isn't like his father, he's still young, naive, inocent, and easily to manipulate, he could be her perfect puppet, her tool to rule over the tauren with an iron hand, and at the same time, be safe from any assassination plot, as most assassins will be drawn to her little puppet leader...........
this is to me the more plausible reason anyone would have to kill poor cairne, who's actually a kind old grand'pa and one of the most peacefull and saint individuals in azeroth.........
Conclution:
Cairne isnt' gonna die, that's a lie spread by a filthy tabloid >.<
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Just because Baine becomes High Chieftain of the tauren doesn't mean that Cairne dies. He could step down.
However, even if "Garrosh has Cairne executed for treason" isn't true, that doesn't necessarily rule
out
his death. He could die of natural causes (he's old)...or Magatha Grimtotem might have him bumped off like she's probably been plotting for a long time now.
Danger! TVTropes!
That said, as Adams pointed out, that came from the same source that claimed Thrall would become Guardian of Tirisfal. They'd have to kill off the little green stub-tendriled
Heinz-hybrid
shamageicator
indigo-child
Marty Sam who already holds the position first. And while I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't
mind
if Med'an were to die, they've already spent altogether too much time
plot-armoring
him to pull it off neatly.
Besides, the source in question was Something Awful. Enough said.
Post by
Patty
Lemme emphasise what Skree said.
Hypothetically speaking.
I agree with Hi, to a certain extent. I do think it would be for control, but that does not make him a sociopath. He may be paranoid, which seems likely. He also might want to live up to his father's name, and by having control he thinks he is doing so.
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569307
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Post by
Rankkor
why nobody coments on my theory? =(
Post by
dumac
Mcdonald used a sinister scheme to make sure all tauren got enslaved by killing cairne to make chaos, Burger inn soon! Just look behind garrosh and you will see a clown in the shadow, with a fixed smile.
My theory is that Some of the more shadow aspect of tauren simple wanted the power over the tauren to lead them into a more savagery path, if you done some tauren quest you know who i am talking about. He is after all king, so ofc some people who does not agree with him and his more softer policy wants him dead.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
That old hag BETTER not kill him. He his one of my favorite characters despite me being alliance.If the old hag
does
kill him, ten to one she ends up as a dungeon boss. In
Thousand
Skerries
, most likely.
Post by
Patty
That old hag BETTER not kill him. He his one of my favorite characters despite me being alliance.If the old hag
does
kill him, ten to one she ends up as a dungeon boss. In
Thousand
Skerries
, most likely.
I love how we are seriously referring to her as an old hag.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I love how we are seriously referring to her as an old hag.Last I checked, it was still an appropriate way to refer to Magatha Grimtotem.
Post by
Patty
I love how we are seriously referring to her as an old hag.Last I checked, it was still an appropriate way to refer to Magatha Grimtotem.
True. Especially with her name, which could
easily
be altered...
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