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I think your best bet may be to save up for another week or so until you have 155 emblems and buy the chest and the gloves for your four piece bonus. That way, if the gloves drop in the mean time, you save the emblems and can grab the belt.
This.
Your tier gear is very very important to get. One of my biggest problems with the latest boomkins is that I see the running around in full 264 chest/head/legs/etc and not a single Tier piece to speak of and they are seriously hurting their numbers as a result.
As for dropping the pants... it makes sense and in terms of BiS gearing it is really the best option over all but it is FAR easier to go 5t10 and fill in the gaps then it is to get that. If you have the gold to shed go for the Woven Death as suggested, but if you don't, don't sweat it to much as it is a fairly small change overall getting them over the normal Tier gear.
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The idea behind dropping the pants is directly related to trying to get better stats in your bracer slot since our only true option there post hit cap has Spirit which is not an optimal stat. This means that "optimal gearing" would make you take
The Lady's Brittle Bracers
in the bracer slot and find another location that contains hit and find a better option for the location. The suggested slot in this case is the legs slot as you can have
Leggings of Woven Death
crafted.
How ever the total gain made by this exchange is fairly small for the sheer cost of the upgrades. To some this is a worth while endeavor, but for most it is beyond the true scope of their available time. This is why I advocate getting the 5t10 set as for most cases it will fully fulfill their needs, with only a very minor loss in dps overall as a result and a significant amount of gold saved.
The truly funny thing is that if you find yourself in a position to start collecting the T10.3/T10.277, or what ever you want to call it, you will find that your best choices overall go back to 5T10 as you end up over the hit cap, for alliance. Between the rep ring and the legs and gloves from the tier set you will have 239 hit rating which is perfect for an Alliance Boomer and only 24 short of the Horde cap. At which point is it suggest to actually gem for the last portion of hit rating.
TLDR:
Yes the crafted pants and the BoE bracers are the best option for a 264 iLvL boomkin but they are out of reach, cost wise, for most so keep that in mind when making suggestions to gearing boomers.
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I'm not saying that you tell them NOT to get BiS items. Making them aware of the the BiS ideals is not a bad thing but saying it's the 'only way' to gear is incorrect. It's perfectly viable to go for 5T10 over the crafted legs and BoE bracers. The total gain to dps is ~200G per dps point gained last time I checked(if everything is converted to gold in terms of cost). For some no cost is too expensive for the best gear, for others it is prohibitive.
All I'm saying is to not always suggest the crafted legs as for some people it is beyond their capability to obtain. Saying that they are being lazy or that they should not be raiding if they cannot take the time to farm those mats is very close to being elitist and I feel should not be coming from someone offering gearing advice on this forum. Save the elitism about hardcore high cost 'BiS is the only way' talk for EJ. This is Wowhead, the common poster requesting help from us does not have that amount of time to devote to that kind of gear.
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Grats on the upgades!
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...but saying it's the 'only way' to gear is incorrect
I didnt say that, I said:
If you make Deathfrost Boots, also make Leggings of Woven Death.
TLDR: Yes the crafted pants and the BoE bracers are the best option for a 264 iLvL boomkin but they are out of reach, cost wise, for most so keep that in mind when making suggestions to gearing boomers.
There is no reason why this should be true.
There is every reason that that gold cost is prohibitive. I raid ICC 10/25 consistently, yet every second of my spare time is spent enjoying PvP.
Do I personally feel that it is prohibitive for me to farm for the money for the Items in question? No.
Do I want to spend the time to farm for those items when I could be doing something entirely different? Not really.
Do I feel that farming for them would be a waste of time for me when I could be treating the game as a game rather then a job and just enjoying it? Yes.
There is more to this game then raiding and I am only pointing out that you can be completely viable in a raid as 5t10 at a considerably smaller cost then if you crafted items.
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...The total gain to dps is ~200G per dps point gained last time I checked...
This is utterly subjective. It depends on realm economy as well as the amount of time you put into farming and the value you place on gold. In any case, equating gold cost to a dps value makes no sense and is irrellevant to performance anyway.
Yes it is subjective, that is entirely the point. My posts have been about providing multiple completely viable options that people from any subjective view can see. Sure you can mitigate the cost of the legs via frost badge farming or you can turn around and put those badges to a different use like bring up your gear in a second spec or turning around and selling the saronites for profit to purchase something else.
As far as dps goes the difference between 5t10 and 4t10+legs+bracers is literally less then 1% gain in dps. The difference between these two options can quite easily be lost in RNG. That makes either option completely viable.
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If you can spend 6-12 hours a week raiding, then you should be able to dedicate some time to aquiring BiS items. If you cant, you probably shouldnt be raiding
that seriously
anyways.
In other words, to anyone who isnt raiding a considerable amount of time every week, the gear they wear probably isnt that important to them. To those that are, it probably is more likely to be. I would wager that most people who raid this amount of time on a regular basis probably spend more time outside of raiding on farming materials and gold and can therefore probably afford to buy the crafted legs.
You are assuming that outside of the actual raiding itself that they are attempting to make money for these items. There are many way to spend their money in game and they should not feel forced to go out of their way for that "awesome" choice in gearing if they have plans for something else.
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...is very close to being elitist and I feel should not be coming from someone offering gearing advice on this forum.
This is all in your head Im afraid. The conclusions you have drawn from what I have written are your own, not mine, and are not representative of the advice I have given.
Saying that they are being lazy or that they should not be raiding if they cannot take the time to farm those mats is very close to being elitist and I feel should not be coming from someone offering gearing advice on this forum. Save the elitism about hardcore high cost 'BiS is the only way' talk for EJ.
This is Wowhead, the common poster requesting help from us does not have that amount of time to devote to that kind of gear.
The point of this sentence was to say that saying "this is the only way" or "that you should be doing this over other options" is the type of stuff you see over at EJ because the entire intent and focus of those forums is to be the very best they can be and every last ounce of information over there is tailored to VERY endgame hard modes and gearing choices at that level of content. This does not translate
directly
to most posters here. Which means that you should keep your mind open to other perfectly viable options and suggest them just as readily as you suggest BiS gearing.
The elitist comments were directed toward your statement:
If you can spend 6-12 hours a week raiding, then you should be able to dedicate some time to aquiring BiS items. If you cant, you probably shouldnt raiding that seriously anyways
Why tell them they should not be raiding that seriously?
What if they can dedicate that much time but chose to spend it elsewhere?
That is why the comment was considered borderline elitist. There is no reason for them to not take something seriously even if they only spend 1 hour a week if they want to.
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TLDR:
Yes the crafted pants and the BoE bracers are the best option for a 264 iLvL boomkin but they are out of reach, cost wise, for most so keep that in mind when making suggestions to gearing boomers.
It is a simple statement of fact.
Think Guns vs Butter my friend
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The fact that you are making such a big deal about it only suggests that you have very little respect for allowing the OP to make up his own mind, which knowing some of your recent posting history doesn't seem like you at all.
The intent of these posts was to make the point, to you, that the 5t10 method is just as viable as the 4t10+Legs, allowing the OP and future OPs the option of going either way at their discretion, but with the knowledge of the amount of gains for the cost in time and money.
As for raiding seriously... Just because someone plays casually does not mean that they can't take the raiding itself seriously. You are there with 9-24 other people and not taking it seriously is a disservice to them. Whatever you say about time or effort spent on raiding means nothing against the OPs priorities.
EJ tends to see WoW in two lights.
World of 'classcraft'.
World of 'gearcraft'.
There is not much outside of that, that they look at and taking that info and turning around and repeating it near word for word is not always what an OP truly needs. We need to translate and adapt this info they have for the people here rather then take it as 'set in stone' advice.
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As for raiding seriously... Just because someone plays casually does not mean that they can't take the raiding itself seriously.
But here's the thing I just don't get about your debate.
Someone who's "raiding seriously", heck even someone who plays casually (but is still doing at least one of the two ICC runs per week) can easily afford to aim for Leggings of Woven Death without having to go out of the way to farm anything....
...
If
that's what you want to do.
This is what I am trying to convey. That we should give them the knowledge about this choice of gearing and let them decide. What if I wanted to start working on a resto or a feral set once I got my boomkin set upgraded? I have a choice of waiting to get all 8 primordials for the pants or I could snag the Tier legs and be most of the way to a helm/chest/legs on the next set in roughly the same time period.
I am not saying that 4T10+Legs is a bad idea, not even close. I'm just saying that it's expensive and that we should let gearing boomkins know of other less expensive and easily just as viable options alongside the BiS gearing ideals.
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