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How do you atheists cope of the thought of dying into nothingness
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341987
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Post by
Orranis
Unless wikipedia is straight up lying -
Franklin rejected much of his Puritan upbringing: belief in salvation, hell, Jesus Christ’s divinity, and indeed most religious dogma. He retained a strong faith in God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.
Do not believe Wikipedia, ever. Anyone can edit it and screw with it, and judging by how the author of that page used the term hell as if he was speaking to us shows that he or she was no where near an expert.
Instead of a massive and fast acting (and correcting) community of scientists, historians, theists, or whatever you want, we are to believe the sole word, backed with no evidence or reasoning, of a single anonymous poster who we can make near to no judgments on because he is near invisible on this forum and has made only 111 posts in an entire thirteen months?
If they are so good why is it that colleges refuse to accept Wikipedia as a valid source?
For the reasons you listed. However, it's up to you whether you think they are valid. Personally, I think it would be incredibly stupid to not believe anything Wikipedia has to say. It's gained such a reputation it's generally troll free, and anyone who doesn't want to put effort into making and editing articles generally does not create accounts.
Anyone can edit it and even thought Wikipedia may be policing it, it will still be wrong for some time.
I'd like for you to show me one Wikipedia page that is factually incorrect. One. Can you do it? I'm sure it exists, but if you can't find it your argument is pretty much invalid.
As for my post count, what does it matter? So I don't sit here on the forums insulting others and randomly trolling like you.
If a stranger walked up to you on the street and said "It's scientifically proven that X is correct." with no factual evidence put into it, would you believe them? Same principle.
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Adamsm
As for my post count, what does it matter? So I don't sit here on the forums insulting others and randomly trolling like you.
If a stranger walked up to you on the street and said "It's scientifically proven that X is correct." with no factual evidence put into it, would you believe them? Same principle.
Well, that works for any comment you make as well Face, or at least anything you say that starts with 'In my opinion....'.
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Orranis
As for my post count, what does it matter? So I don't sit here on the forums insulting others and randomly trolling like you.
If a stranger walked up to you on the street and said "It's scientifically proven that X is correct." with no factual evidence put into it, would you believe them? Same principle.
Well, that works for any comment you make as well Face, or at least anything you say that starts with 'In my opinion....'.
Yes, but the difference is that I'm not really a stranger. I don't expect you to take it as the word of God, but you can recognize where I'm coming from.
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Adamsm
Yes, but the difference is that I'm not really a stranger. I don't expect you to take it as the word of God, but you can recognize where I'm coming from.
Aye, which isn't always a good thing.
Post by
TheMediator
I just want to say that is why I prefaced the quote with "Unless wikipedia is straight up lying -"
We should trust wikipedia, although there is the possibility of it being wrong. If evidence comes up contrary to wikipedia's claims then we might lean the other way, however without any evidence opposing wikipedia's claim we're more likely to trust it as often it has evidence to back up its claim (via citation of other literature).
Whenever you hear a speech and someone recites a figure or statistic, do you immediately go digging for their source? Not all the time. It would be best if you did, but sometimes you don't have the time. If a person has had reliable evidence to back up their claims most of the time, we will trust them, although we shouldn't trust them blindly or in spite of evidence.
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TheMediator
I suppose its nice that this thread is still moving though in a slightly intelligent manner, even if it is off topic.
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Post by
Orranis
Never mind, let's pretend I can't cope.
What do I do now? Kill myself? Make the short burst of my existence a worthless moping depression?
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Post by
Skreeran
I'd like for you to show me one Wikipedia page that is factually incorrect. One. Can you do it? I'm sure it exists, but if you can't find it your argument is pretty much invalid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Crosse
,_Wisconsin#History
Just editted it to read that La Crosse was founded 1956 instead of 1856, we did this in one of my classes and it stayed that way for at least a week, didn't check it after that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Crosse%2C_Wisconsin&action=historysubmit&diff=358872784&oldid=358799412
Lol, someone reverted it less than a day after.
Try again.
Wikipedia is generally correct. If you wish to dispute some part of it, provide evidence to the contrary.
And I'm fairly certain that if Ben Franklin tried to start a daily prayer in Congress, he believed in some god or other, even if he wasn't a typical christian. Was he an idiot?
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Orranis
I'd like for you to show me one Wikipedia page that is factually incorrect. One. Can you do it? I'm sure it exists, but if you can't find it your argument is pretty much invalid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Crosse
,_Wisconsin#History
Just editted it to read that La Crosse was founded 1956 instead of 1856, we did this in one of my classes and it stayed that way for at least a week, didn't check it after that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Crosse%2C_Wisconsin&action=historysubmit&diff=358872784&oldid=358799412
Lol, someone reverted it less than a day after.
Try again.
Wikipedia is generally correct. If you wish to dispute some part of it, provide evidence to the contrary.
And I'm fairly certain that if Ben Franklin tried to start a daily prayer in Congress, he believed in some god or other, even if he wasn't a typical christian. Was he an idiot?
The thing is that Wikipedia, while very rarely so, can have unconfirmed or wrong facts written into it, making mist teachers dislike it's use for research papers. However, it is an excellent, almost perfect, source for looking up information on the spot, as we so often do.
Post by
Adamsm
Semi-unrelated but:
Was Ben a Quaker?
Benjamin Franklin was not a Quaker. He was baptized in 1706, at the Old South Church congregation's Cedar Meeting House on downtown Washington Street, Boston. Built in 1729 as a Congregational church, Old South was the largest building in colonial Boston.
In Philadelphia he occasionally worshiped at Christ Church, the Church of England parish established in colonial Philadelphia in 1695 and later reorganized into the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America.
Post by
kattib
wow onto semantics of validity of sources?
hmm if you dont like wikipedia for religious discussion then try a different site (or use wikipedia's sources?)
I like to use
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
since it is sourced and has won awards (including by the smithosian which, if they give a site an award, I would trust that site to be correct)
Post by
Orranis
wow onto semantics of validity of sources?
hmm if you dont like wikipedia for religious discussion then try a different site (or use wikipedia's sources?)
I like to use
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
since it is sourced and has won awards (including by the smithosian which, if they give a site an award, I would trust that site to be correct)
Well, this was really a Q&A thread. Not much room for debate.
Post by
Squishalot
Unless wikipedia is straight up lying -
Franklin rejected much of his Puritan upbringing: belief in salvation, hell, Jesus Christ’s divinity, and indeed most religious dogma. He retained a strong faith in God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.
Do not believe Wikipedia, ever. Anyone can edit it and screw with it, and judging by how the author of that page used the term hell as if he was speaking to us shows that he or she was no where near an expert.
He used the term 'hell' as part of a list:
"belief in
a) salvation
b) hell
c) Jesus Christ's divinity, and
d) most religious dogma."
Context, hell, just learn to read already :)
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