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Post by
FarseerLolotea
No he shouldn't of; but you have had experience with the trolls, you know not to feed them.What can I say; I've got a bad habit of kicking
wounded gazelles
.
Post by
Monjaru
Way to prove it, Monjaru.
You called me names, and then got disingenuous when called out. I pointed out that either you are provocateuring, you are completely oblivious to your own actions, or both. There is a difference—and one which is apparently obvious to everyone
but
you. As for the name calling, I'm still holding by the fact you dished out just as many names as I did, so any claims you make on me are nulled.
I've never actually heard the word provocateuring before, and apparently neither has wikipedia or dictionary.com. Mind explaining that one for me? (In all honesty here; I like knowing exactly what it is someone is accusing me of.)
You think draenei don't need a stealth class? I disagree with you, but you're entitled to your own opinion. That point has never been anything
but
subjective. Well, only thing I can say is: Way to completely change the tune of your argument.
The whole first half of it was based around the apparent fact that draenei need a stealth class to truly be balanced with other races in terms of race/class combinations. When I told you that that is completely subjective, you denied it and continued to rant about how I was wrong.
But now you're cavorting about as if
you're
the one explaining to
me
that this whole argument is subjective. Why everyone is siding with you regardless of the gaping loopholes and multiple contradictions in your argument is beyond me.
Oh wait, no it's not. It's because everyone seems to have a vendetta against me because I decided to troll a couple people in one (count 'em
one
) thread.
That's precisely why it's so ironic you would try to bring up ad hominem against me. Because essentially, this entire thread is one
huge
ad hominem against me. No one is actually looking at the argument and going, "Hm, this guy could be right/Hm, I think this guy is wrong." It's, "Oh hey, it's Monjaru. I saw him trolling in a thread. He's obviously wrong."
You
are
, however, in the wrong for calling me a "selfish little brat." By that standard, I'm not actually "in the wrong" then. If you would read my post for once instead of just disregarding it as "troll" material, you would know that I compared your behavior to that of a selfish child; I did not
call
you anything. There is a HUGE difference.
______________________________
In all honesty, I'm not sure why I even bothered typing this (that pride I talked about in my last post, I suppose) because I know you're all just going to disregard it for the sole reason that
I'm
the one who typed it. Either way, I guess I'm done in this thread.
I may as well just keep out of threads with any form of debate involved until this whole "troll" nonsense blows over.
Bah, I'm rambling.
Monjaru out. (tacky, I know)
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Okay...I said I had a bad habit of kicking wounded gazelles, so I'll bite. As for the name calling, I'm still holding by the fact you dished out just as many names as I did, so any claims you make on me are nulled. Oh, my. Was that an "NO U" that I just heard? Then again, considering your previous posts, I shouldn't be surprised by that.
And that's a lie. The only thing I said that could
at all
be construed as name-calling was "clueless."
I've never actually heard the word provocateuring before, and apparently neither has wikipedia or dictionary.com. Mind explaining that one for me? (In all honesty here; I like knowing exactly what it is someone is accusing me of.) "
Provocateur
: A person who provokes trouble, causes dissension, or the like; agitator." In other words, a troll.
Using it as a verb is, admittedly, a neologism. However, it's not
my
neologism.
Well, only thing I can say is: Way to completely change the tune of your argument.
The whole first half of it was based around the apparent fact that draenei need a stealth class to truly be balanced with other races in terms of race/class combinations. When I told you that that is completely subjective, you denied it and continued to rant about how I was wrong.
More
lies, or at least distortions. What I said was that it was no
less
valid than claiming that gnomes need another new class because they will only have six options.
But now you're cavorting about as if
you're
the one explaining to
me
that this whole argument is subjective. Why everyone is siding with you regardless of the gaping loopholes and multiple contradictions in your argument is beyond me. First of all, no such contradictions exist.
Additionally, you are being rude and playing the victim, neither of which is going to endear you to anyone.
Oh wait, no it's not. It's because everyone seems to have a vendetta against me because I decided to troll a couple people in one (count 'em
one
) thread. So you
admit
to trolling.
That's precisely why it's so ironic you would try to bring up ad hominem against me. Because essentially, this entire thread is one
huge
ad hominem against me.Oh, you poor mistreated baby. All you did was flame me, and now all the big bullies are picking on you by calling you out. My heart bleeds.
No one is actually looking at the argument and going, "Hm, this guy could be right/Hm, I think this guy is wrong." It's, "Oh hey, it's Monjaru. I saw him trolling in a thread. He's obviously wrong."Because it couldn't
possibly
be because you flamed me, right?
By that standard, I'm not actually "in the wrong" then. If you would read my post for once instead of just disregarding it as "troll" material, you would know that I compared your behavior to that of a selfish child; I did not
call
you anything. There is a HUGE difference. Even if you were telling the
truth
there, you'd have been out of line for that comparison alone
But, you see, here's the thing: When you ask for a new class you don't need with only "other races got classes they don't need" as your complaint, I'd say that makes you a selfish, little brat. Get the picture? Yeah, you're lying again.
Based on your antics here, I'd suggest that you quietly leave the forum before you get the thread locked or get yourself banned—unless, of course, that's what you're
trying
to do.
Post by
373645
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Post by
Stenenis
as for all those complaining about why draenei didn't get any new classes, lets look at it this way:
Warlocks: draenei HATE demons!
Rouges: they have HOOVES! tauren can be rouges either. i think the *clop clop clop* might go against the whole stealth thing
Druids: blizz probably wants only 2 races of each faction to be druids. now, if you say that worgen shouldn't be able to be druids, then i say if the cow men can do it, so can the wolf men. also, they can already change from worgen to human, so perhaps they just got used to the changing.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
as for all those complaining about why draenei didn't get any new classes, lets look at it this way:
Warlocks: draenei HATE demons!Agreed on that count; I'm not in favor of warlock.Rouges: they have HOOVES! tauren can be rouges either. i think the *clop clop clop* might go against the whole stealth thingHooves can be muffled, and draenei (contrary to popular belief) are smaller than tauren. The main issue would be cultural.
Druids: blizz probably wants only 2 races of each faction to be druids. now, if you say that worgen shouldn't be able to be druids, then i say if the cow men can do it, so can the wolf men. also, they can already change from worgen to human, so perhaps they just got used to the changing.First of all: There's currently more in-game precedent for draenei druids than for worgen druids. (Yes, the precedent for draenei druids is oblique and minimal, as it's only on account of some crazy Lost Ones. However, "oblique and minimal on account of some crazy Lost Ones"
is
, in fact, more precedent than "none whatsoever.")
Secondly: Draenei players have to put up with being called the beta slang term for a talbuk as it is. If being an "animalistic-looking" race is a qualification for druidism, and draenei don't count? Well, then...people need to
stop
calling them "goats" and "squid" already.
Thirdly: Worgen shapeshifting is not universal. For the most part, it hasn't even been entirely voluntary. It's
still
not completely voluntary; the playable worgen will only be able to appear human out of combat. Druidic shapeshifting, on the other hand,
does
seem to be entirely voluntary.
And finally, and most importantly: If they're giving nine out of ten of the existing races new classes, leaving the tenth out of the loop should be a bigger no-no than imbalancing the druid ratio. (Hell, they've outright admitted that worgen and goblin death knights—among others—were added just for "Rule of Cool.")
My primary concern is that this is a symptom of draenei being generally shuffled under the rug by Blizzard (probably on account of all of the outcry from a vocal minority that should have ragequit long ago). If I see some evidence that they're just too
busy
to be learning anything new from SI:7 or the Stillpine tribe, I'll be quiet about spacebears until the next xpack. But if they're still sitting on their tails...I rest my case.
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