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Monday
I love how the people that are yelling, using sarcasm, spamming "no", cutting this man off at the knees are all under 18...
And how exactly do you know this?
Because you either admitted it or you alluded to that fact quite strongly.
Me? When did I do this thing?
Let me ask again...
And how
exactly
do you know this?
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qwertydood
There are just as many immature adults as there are teenagers. There are just as many mature teenagers as there are adults.
You can't make generalizations from isolated instances you happen to remember.
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pezz
The fact is, people don't fully mature until 27ish.
This statement is vague. When does the language center of the brain fully develop? Can a person speak intelligently or at least coherently before this happens? The same question can be applied to any facet of the brain. 'Full maturity' is probably not present in most adults, but that clearly doesn't mean everyone over the age of 30 throws their toys out of the crib every time they don't get candy for desert.
1) They will be egocentric- I am referring to the 16 year old with the job and the 3.8 GPA. Super, but what does that have to do with anything? Teens think that everyone sees the minor flaws on their face, clothing and so on- not so.
Not going to dispute the fact, but I struggle to see how it's relevant. If I think everyone is judging my performance, and I'm halfway intelligent, surely I'm going to seek out ways to improve upon my DPS/tanking ability/whatever, no? In what way does an ego intrinsically and necessarily lead to all of the OP's points being correct, and do you have a source that says that there is a
significant
decline in this type of personality after adolescence?
2) Teens are horrid at reading emotions, especially online. This is why a harmless nudging can turn into a full on brawl. Most teens use the emotional side of their brains when reading faces and text and not the logical point aka they think they are being attacked, that person is sad, or happy. This means they fail to see smaller things like fear, surprise, jealousy, and so on.
The two points you make contradict each other here. 'Teens struggle to read body language and visual queues accurately in communication' and 'Teens struggle to read emotions online' are sort of mutually exclusive. I agree that teenagers can be pretty awful at reading facial/body language queues, which is why a text-based game is a great leveler for teenagers. EVERYONE struggles to understand emotions perfectly through text. The additional disadvantage that teenagers have in terms of reading facial queues and body language is removed.
3) The last part of the brain that develops is the logical portion of your brain in everyone. This is the last bit that will develop and the brain's pruning process doesn't start until you are at least 20.
I return to my point in the first body of text I quoted. Now, please note I'm not doubting you at all when you say the logical portion is the last part to finalize development. Judging by your sig you've probably taken psych courses, so arguing with you about your premises on a scientific level would be a stupid thing to do. However, I don't think they're proving whatever point you're trying to prove. If 'the last part of the brain that develops is the logical portion of your brain in everyone. This is the last bit that will develop and the brain's pruning process doesn't start until you are at least 20' is equivalent to 'you are incapable of logical thought before the age of 20 or even later, when the final stages of development of these faculties will take place' every traditional student who was also a philosophy major or a math major would be a failing train wreck, right? You cannot do philosophy or advanced math without an extremely good grasp of logic. They're both built on it. Yet traditional students do well in philosophy and math degrees all the time. Clearly, at least
some
logical skills, if not extensive logical skills, are present in an individual before their brain has finalized development.
We're back to 'full logical skills' that I doubt many people truly developed versus 'partial' or 'underdeveloped' but still existent logical skills, and how important the distinctions are.
I remember referring to someone in my ICC raid raid named "Sam" and called that person a chick and then used she.
Yea no, he was 15...(The best bit was that he had a GS of roughly 5.8 and could pull 6k dps as arcane...)
1) This is anecdotal and 2) proving children's voices are high at younger ages doesn't help you greatly anyway.
tr;dr Science does not back up 90% of what you kiddies are saying. You can argue with it but I'll just toss more sources and real data at you than you can make up stories about your mature friends.
Interpret your science and your statistics carefully. They're two of the most important tools humans have, but they're still just tools.
Post by
Squishalot
'Teens struggle to read body language and visual queues accurately in communication' and 'Teens struggle to read emotions online' are sort of mutually exclusive
I think you mean that they are
independent
. If they were
mutually exclusive
, you couldn't be one without being the other.
Clearly, at least some logical skills, if not extensive logical skills, are present in an individual before their brain has finalized development.
This, very much so.
3) The last part of the brain that develops is the logical portion of your brain in everyone. This is the last bit that will develop and the brain's pruning process doesn't start until you are at least 20.
I do believe the issue in this thread is maturity, not logic ability. Logic, unfortunately, is bounded terribly by environmental factors, and as a result, you'll find that age actually has very little to distinguish between the logic and problem solving ability of people. Maturity, however, is more correlated with age. (Though very worth noting - still heavily influenced by environment.)
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pezz
'Teens struggle to read body language and visual queues accurately in communication' and 'Teens struggle to read emotions online' are sort of mutually exclusive
I think you mean that they are
independent
. If they were
mutually exclusive
, you couldn't be one without being the other.
Erm, somewhere in between. I read independent as an inclusive or, and I meant an exclusive one, which I realize mutually exclusive doesn't cover either.
Eh, semantics.
Post by
xaratherus
I'm not sure that it would make a difference. You would cut out a number of the underage community who are immature, yes - but that would leave you with the immature over 18/21, as well as the large numbers of immature youth who simply lie about their age to get around it.
And the latter
would
happen. The United States government can't globally enforce the age restrictions on alcohol and tobacco; how in the world do you think Blizzard could possibly enforce such a rule any better, especially in a realm where anonymity is moronically simple to achieve, and where your entire existence is virtual?
I'm not saying that it isn't good in concept, just that I highly doubt that it would pan out to be as effective as the OP hopes, nor would it remain effective in the long run.
Post by
skumbananer
I am 31. Players who like me are a bit older(say people aged 23+) are definitively the most immature players there is. Sure we might act all mature from time to time when kids are present but when left alone we complain, swear, flirt shamelessly over vent, even drink while playing and laugh at someone who is clearly drunk etc etc. I think this game is perfect for us, cause we can really regress to pure poop-humour-age with other like-mided old people who never grew up either.
only older people can have a 3 hour discussion about which sexual preference we thought the various TBC bosses had.
I think the most skilled, no-nonsense and ambitious players are younger, from 15-22. Kids younger than that are immature, but thats ok, they are just kids, old people who play wow (like me) are the most immature of all.
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xaratherus
In fact, a lot of the people in my guild are teens, and we are mostly completely mature
I'm not sure I would go that far - but I will say this: Mature teens are the result of conscientious parenting,
not
because of any rules created and enforced by Blizzard. When a teenager knows that mom might overhear him dropping F-bombs on Vent while he's playing WoW, he's far less likely to do so, and to behave like a mature individual.
While it's a digression, any rules that Blizzard creates is not really going to improve the quality of the game; these immature kids are immature because of poor parenting, and eventually server age restrictions won't make any difference because they will grow into immature "adults".
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pezz
3) The last part of the brain that develops is the logical portion of your brain in everyone. This is the last bit that will develop and the brain's pruning process doesn't start until you are at least 20.
I return to my point in the first body of text I quoted. Now, please note I'm not doubting you at all when you say the logical portion is the last part to finalize development. Judging by your sig you've probably taken psych courses, so arguing with you about your premises on a scientific level would be a stupid thing to do. However, I don't think they're proving whatever point you're trying to prove. If 'the last part of the brain that develops is the logical portion of your brain in everyone. This is the last bit that will develop and the brain's pruning process doesn't start until you are at least 20' is equivalent to 'you are incapable of logical thought before the age of 20 or even later, .
Bit of a leap of logic there, not what he was saying lol. Kinda proved his point, you will be more powerful mentally in time It seems you both agree with that. 2) you are both smart enough to acknowledge that averages exist even over a sample set of "individuals".
When pointed out this way isn't it apparent that the average logical ability increases with age?
This observation calls no-one stupid. It simply states that the ability increases with time.
Thus: Same person => more time=>more logical (easier to deal with)
Therefore inversely: younger people are more irritating as mistakes will be more common,
Please are you actually going to argue that you yourself will not be less annoying with time?
My point was that, if there's a gradual scale of increased abilities in logic and cognition starting at a young age, until the mid 20s where those skills are completely developed, with a great deal of variance from individual to individual as well, then that isn't really a sufficiently strong claim to make to warrant the OP's opinion.
The logical leap was meant to highlight the difference between what could be said about the data and what would need to be said for the OP's idea to be worthwhile or even beneficial at all. For age restricted servers with a cut off maybe in the early 20's to
really
improve the quality of play, there would have to be a very strong correlation between age and maturity, stronger than I think the correlation is (although I acknowledge that there is such a correlation).
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