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Post by
Gumballs
So, I was thinking about this last night, as I was trying to think of even more characters for myself.. not that I really need any haha.
How do you think non-heterosexuals are treated in the warcraft universe?
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Just to clear some terms up in case you didn’t know…
Homosexual:
Attracted to members of the same sex (romantically or sexually)
Bisexual:
Attracted to members of both sexes (romantically or sexually)
Transsexual:
Identifies themselves (by their personality, behavior and/or looks) as a different gender than their biological one. May or may not get gender altering surgery/hormones, but I don’t even know if that would be possible in WoW lore anyways.
Polysexual:
Attracted to someone based on their personality rather than what sex they are.
Asexual:
Does not have attraction for anyone, regardless of sex.
Hermaphrodite:
Born with male and female genitalia (partial or whole of both)
There is more, but I’ll just stick with these ;)
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So how do you think non-heteros are treated in different cultures? Do you think it is any different than our society (even though that differs greatly from place to place)? I honestly could not find any information on people’s opinions of this at all. I figured that I would ask your opinions, since you guys rock and a lot of you know more about lore than I do. xD
I’d imagine that there would be discrimination, especially to the more xenophobic races or cultures. For some reason I also imagine trolls more sexual (teehee) and more accepting of difference as well.
What are your thoughts?
Post by
Adamsm
For some reason I also imagine trolls more sexual (teehee) and more accepting of difference as well.Possibly Darkspear, but not the rest of them heh. As for how they would treat non-hetrosexuals, probably the same as we do here in the real world; some would be for, some against, and some who just don't care heh. It's implied in the Night Elf sentinel faction there is some.... love between the Sisters that might go a little deeper then just plain like heh.
Post by
HiVolt
Well, there's not a lot of lore-based evidence surrounding any kind of cultural acceptance, except in certain cases. Like, we know about how the use of particular magics is abhorred by many different cultures... but there isn't much in the way of other social issues.
From what we see in-game, since there isn't much of a difference between how males and females are treated, across all cultures; I think that each would have a good acceptance for any sexual orientation. However, in the lore, there are some races and cultures that have a definite difference in how males and females are treated in society. I'm not sure exactly how this would apply to the acceptance of certain sexual orientations, though. Heh, I'm not much for behavioral and social psychology.
Post by
Orranis
I think most of the duses here are all for Lesbian Love between the Sisters......just sayin'.
But what Adams said is probably correct, they would treat them like we do in the real world. But you never know, being Homosexual could be accepted totally just as we accept people who like the colour blue. If you know what I mean, it wouldn't be at all strange for them to see Gay Couples Kissing in Public.
Dude, I'm fine with gays, but people who like the color blue? That is disgusting.
Post by
Gumballs
>_>
Anyways. Thanks for the replies.
For some reason, I imagine orc to be like spartans with their babies.. if one was a hermaphrodite, I'd imagine they'd kill it. At least the old Horde or whatever, maybe not so much modern orcs.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Blizzard doesn't give much to work with on this subject, like most other modern genres or stories or fantasies where it depends purely on the writers in question if homsexuality exists at all, if its something thats rare to see, or something on a more normal scale, like it was in something like buffy the vampire slayer with willow.
As a gay man myself I do think its ridiculous that blizzard arn't more open about this. Remember how a court case was charged against blizzard for one man making an opening gay guild, and he won the case against them, that speaks for itself. And in a game that uses things like raising corpses from the ground and stiching body parts together to make abominations, in a game where bloody warfair is a constant issue and notions other heavy notions like murder, rape and vice is always present.. but somehow the notion of 2 people of the same sex in a relationship is overlooked or not even included?
This, like I say, comes down to the writers and how blind sided they can be. They think its ok if a younger player see things like zombies eating the living or demons empaling people, but something as simple as 2 people of the same sex is not?
I'm gay and my guild knows it. They make a laugh here and there about it but are all really level headed, and treat my examples of my past relationships as normal as there own, which just makes me think, in the right situation, any normal person wouldn't care less if there is a gay couple in a story like this, so why not make it so.
Post by
Gumballs
Yeah, thanks Tauren, I was kind of thinking that myself. Any type of sexuality should be accepted and expressed in different video games or whatever. And I'm not afraid to make a gay character, nor am I afraid what the people behind the other characters think about it.
I was just curious as to how he (because the gay character I am creating for Aftermath right now IS a he) would have been treated growing up. And then I started thinking about the different sexualities and the different cultures and stuff.
And yeah Tauman, I was thinking the same thing about Garrosh. xD
Post by
R1TeR
there are a couple of games that allow you to be gay now, in a couple more years I think it would be more openly put into video gamez
Post by
Skreeran
I haven't even read the whole threat yet, and I cannot give this a harder thumbs up.
Did skim it over, though, and I didn't see anyone post
this
though (although I didn't see anything on that page about homo/bi/poly/asexuality, except for Quilboars, it's still an interesting read).
I do know that succubi tend to be omnisexual. That is to say, they take all kinds... :P
But other than that, all we really know is the tiny amount that the RPG tells us and what we can extrapolate. I think that for most trolls (non-Darkspear/Shatterspear), homosexuality would be abhorred. Think about it. Homosexuality for troll women would be unthinkable. If they aren't pleasing their male troll husband, they'd be killed. For troll males, they might perceive there to be something wrong with someone who doesn't appreciate troll wimmenz. So yeah, there would be little or no non-heterosexuality among most trolls, (although in practice and thought only; I don't think it would be impossible that a troll could be born homosexual, but I don't think they could ever come out as one). I can see an asexual troll though. Not interested in the babymaking, just killing.... :P
Darkspears and Shatterspears would probably be on the other end of the spectrum, however. We know that women of these tribes are given a lot more freedom. Trolls also tend to have a much looser set of taboos in regards to sexuality (meaning, like... none). Polygamy is popular, after all. Besides that, they just have a non-judgmental vibe to them, if you ask me, when compared with most other races.
I can see homo/poly/bi/a-sexuality being acceptable among certain groups of tauren, as well. They certainly don't seem to be the judgmental type, barring the Grimtotem.
Also, I can't help but feel I precipitated this with my Shatterspear guide... :P
Post by
FarseerLolotea
On the one hand, it's tempting to compare it to the real world at a similar technological/political level. On the other, it's
not
the real world; it's Azeroth. (I actually wrote a short rant about it.)
That said, there's a lot of
ho-yay
in
WoW
.
Post by
Adamsm
I can see homo/poly/bi/a-sexuality being acceptable among certain groups of tauren, as well. They certainly don't seem to be the judgmental type, barring the Grimtotem.That... I'm not sure about; after all, the Tauren are going through a baby boom right now, and while they might not have a problem with same sex partners, they would probably still want the females to have as many children as possible to recover now that they are 'safe'.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Yeah, thanks Tauren, I was kind of thinking that myself. Any type of sexuality should be accepted and expressed in different video games or whatever. And I'm not afraid to make a gay character, nor am I afraid what the people behind the other characters think about it.
I was just curious as to how he (because the gay character I am creating for Aftermath right now IS a he) would have been treated growing up. And then I started thinking about the different sexualities and the different cultures and stuff.
And yeah Tauman, I was thinking the same thing about Garrosh. xD
Well I'll throw my own theorys into it for each race
Humans - probably not so well on it. We know humans in the past have been the kind of over zealous kind of condeem other races easily without much thought about it, showing quite a backwards society in there views
Dwarfs - maybe more easy going but due to the drink, though like humans they too hold a presence of the holy order that would be less then representing to such things
Gnomes - Not really much to think on, they might be more open to it, since they don't really follow a backwards order like other races of the alliance
Draenei - Hard to say. You could imagine draenei being more expressive to all differences in terms of sexuality, since there holy order isn't like humans a dwarfs. But its hard to tell from not getting an idea of there society before they were an exile race
Night elves - I dare say this is more flexable in terms of it, but I also imagine the night elf culture being more strick on its front of, dare I say it, forced arrangements. Still one has to consider, given the vast amount of night elf men who sleep in well all the female sentinals had to stay awake, its not hard to imagine things going on there.
Orc - Tricky. Orcs are often held on concept of honor and clansmenship, and the idea of taking a mate is often via a test of strength. so you could imagine what could more stronger a mate to an orc male, then another orc male. Still, given things that happened in the past, and the lack of idea what orcish culture would think of it... remember the term gay is only thought of as a weakness to humans in our society, thats not to say in a society like an orcish one it would be the same, the ancient greeks thought differently.
Tauren - I recon tauren would be very relaxed on the idea of it. They might even be the kind to see it as a part of nature so something they wouldn't stand against, except in maybe things like arranged partnership, which I've never been sure exists in tauren culture
Blood elf - Well unlike the more strick nature of night elves, blood elves are well known for being more open to trying things. Probably less about such life mate as other horde races and more about one night stands, regardless of gender.
Troll - I've always imagined trolls as being pretty relaxed on this, it be a lot more brutal, but if for instance a troll wanted to take a life mate of the same gender, he or she would go to any means to win them over. Troll society doesn't follow a strick act of ceremony like humans or dwarfs do, and such things in past civilizations always indicated at same sex relations even as far back as egyption times.
Forsaken - Well.. thats to say, there humans with a twisted view on things.
Post by
Gumballs
Thanks for bringing on the feedback and opinions guys. :D
And yeah Skree, you started this after I read the part on relationships in your Shatterspear guide. :D I started to wonder about other races. I read the sexuality thing on WoWwiki, and it is super cool, I probably should have linked it here, but I just didn't feel it had a lot of answers to my questions.
I kinda feel the same way about taurens.. but Adams has a good point. They are all about babymaking right now. I think draenei would be pretty okay with things as well, since they seem to be a rather chill race xD
Edit: Nice one Tauren, I think your thoughts are pretty similar to mine on he races. I'm gunna have to post my thoughts on each race later, since my mom is kicking me off the computer right now :P
Post by
taurenmoo812
Yeah I didn't really consider that. Its one thing in the kind of societies in wow that if races that were vastly low on there population, ones like draenei, tauren, blood elves and gnomes, they would be more forced into extending there race regardless of personal tastes, and even in there own minds be doing it for there own people.
Still, in terms of writers in wow, that would be a easy cop out.
btw, how 'of blood and honor'
should
have ended.
Post by
Skreeran
Heh, I've actually toyed with the idea of Kitanga being a 2 or so on the
Kinsey Scale
... :P
Dag'rema's almost certainly asexual, but that's just because she's so $%^&ing messed up... :P She might humour her succubus from time to time, but that would only be to get the demon to shut up and/or for manipulative purposes... :P
All my other characters that I can think of would be a 0-1, except Taelani, who is so incredibly asexual, she'd probably shank you for bringing it up.
Edit: @Tauren I probably wouldn't have minded that, except for the fact that they're both
old
... /brainbleach
Edit: Oh, and Themra. I can totally see her being a little bicurious. And then she really likes her dog...
:P I kid...
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I kinda feel the same way about taurens.. but Adams has a good point. They are all about babymaking right now. I think draenei would be pretty okay with things as well, since they seem to be a rather chill race xDMy thoughts in regards to tauren and draenei are rather parallel. While I don't think either culture would condemn love in any form as immoral "just because," I can see both—being remnant populations—being encouraged to procreate for the good of the species. (Furthermore, as tauren culture is based loosely off of several Native American tribes, I can see the "two-spirit" concept existing among them.)
ETA: Edit: @Tauren I probably wouldn't have minded that, except for the fact that they're both old... /brainbleachEhh, by the standards of their respective races, they're both silver foxes.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I kinda feel the same way about taurens.. but Adams has a good point. They are all about babymaking right now. I think draenei would be pretty okay with things as well, since they seem to be a rather chill race xDMy thoughts in regards to tauren and draenei are rather parallel. While I don't think either culture would condemn love in any form as immoral "just because," I can see both—being remnant populations—being encouraged to procreate for the good of the species. (Furthermore, as tauren culture is based loosely off of several Native American tribes, I can see the "two-spirit" concept existing among them.)
oh good one. I forgot, I did study the two spirits concept years ago, and is something that does exist in there culture.
Post by
R1TeR
Edit: Oh, and Themra. I can totally see her being a little bicurious. And then she really like her dog...
i laughed hard on that
Post by
306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
I predict the wrath of a zillion blood elf fans falling upon me for what I am about to say...but blood elves being "trysexual" would
not
surprise me in the least. They're elves, they're hedonists, they're elves, they were probably desperate—until fairly recently—for any distraction from their mana addiction, they're elves, and they probably want to take solace wherever, and in whatever, they can.
Plus, any claim that Asric does
not
want to have his wicked way with Jadaar is blasphemy. (As is any claim that Jadaar wouldn't welcome it. Or that it would be like anything short of pulling teeth to get either of them to
admit
it. Or that if they
were
to act on it, it would stop them from bickering.)
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