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Monday
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Funden you forgot Hinduism
Hinduism is an ethnic religion, not a universalizing one.Why don't you go tell that to Adams... :P
And I would disagree as well. Just because Hinduism is centralized in Asia hardly means that it isn't one of the big religions.
Large religion=/=universalizing religion
Universalizing religions attempt to be global, to appeal to all people, wherever they may live in the world, not just to those of one culture or location.
An ethnic religion appeals primarily to one group of people living in one place.
-Human Geography, James Rubenstein.
More backup
Oh really?
So what's your point? Again, a large religion is not a universalizing one.
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Adamsm
Oh really?
So what's your point? Again, a large religion is not a universalizing one.
It's the third largest in the World; I doubt that just means it made up of only Asian people....
Edit: That's like saying only white westerners are part of the Catholic church....
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Monday
Oh really?
So what's your point? Again, a large religion is not a universalizing one.
It's the third largest in the World; I doubt that just means it made up of only Asian people....
Map
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Largest besides India are in Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan, the largest with 90million people (Nepal however, very close proximity to India.)
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Another map for you
That's not the point. Hinduism doesn't go around sending out missionaries and people trying to convert you on the street. Thus it is not Universalizing.
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Adamsm
That's not the point. Hinduism doesn't go around sending out missionaries and people trying to convert you on the street. Thus it is not Universalizing.
.....Funden.... that's the point; your not forced to join the religion, it's a choice. So, to be universalizing, you have to go in and conqueror all other religions eh? Yeah, thanks but no thanks, I'll stick to my Buddhism, Hinduism, and Wiccan beliefs; then I can live my life the way I want to.
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Monday
That's not the point. Hinduism doesn't go around sending out missionaries and people trying to convert you on the street. Thus it is not Universalizing.
.....Funden.... that's the point; your not forced to join the religion, it's a choice. So, to be universalizing, you have to go in and conqueror all other religions eh? Yeah, thanks but no thanks, I'll stick to my Buddhism, Hinduism, and Wiccan beliefs; then I can live my life the way I want to.
I'm not sure we are arguing the same thing here. I am just saying that Hinduism isn't universalizing. I'm not trying to argue your religion, I was correcting your false arguments against me.
So, to be universalizing, you have to go in and conqueror all other religions eh?
Pretty much yes.
We done now?
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124027
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Monday
Now quit with the Hindu bashing before we get dragged down into semantics and just start yelling at each other about how crap the other persons belief system is...
Again, I don't think we are arguing the same thing here. I am
NOT
repeat
NOT
bashing beliefs. That's not even what I'm talking about
/fume
That third map there...the one with the chunk of Hindu people in the north east South America doesn't disprove your theory at all Funden.... (sarcasm off now)
What theory? I already knew there were Hindus in the Caribbean. However there are only about 600,000 of them there. With a religion with about 873 million members that isn't very much at all.
Hindu has spread internationally and has been adopted by those who's background would place them as not being Hindu.
A. No missionaries
B. Not very many conversions to the religion.
Thus, no universalizing.
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Adamsm
So, to be universalizing, you have to go in and conqueror all other religions eh?
Pretty much yes.
We done now?
Aye as there's no point arguing something against someone who is set in there ways and doesn't want to expend his learning about it.
Post by
Monday
I apologize if I ever seemed like I was stepping on somebody's belief. That was not my intention, and I am sorry.
(although it makes me sad nobody have qualms about stepping on mine )= )
Edit:
So, to be universalizing, you have to go in and conqueror all other religions eh?
Pretty much yes.
We done now?
Aye as there's no point arguing something someone else is set in there ways and doesn't want to expend his learning about it.
Are you referring to both of us or just me? I was merely giving the definition of it, not trying to stomp on you or anything.
But I still don't think we are arguing the same thing...
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124027
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Monday
If it helps I get your point of view. You consider any religion that doesn't send out missionaries (which btw pretty much excludes all religions bar most sects of Christianity and some sub sects of Islam, possibly Buddhism...but true Buddhists don't believe themselves to be part of a religions, rather followers of a separate personal philosophy....but I'm digressing) to not be universalizing. While I tend to be of the opinion that a religion is only non universalising if it does not allow the induction of new members.
Well its true though.
Only Islam, Christianity and Buddhism are considered Universalizing religions (yes Buddhism too).
And I'm not saying Ethnic Religions are bad either. My point of view is that if they don't send missionaries and whatnot they aren't universal (let's not argue this though, we won't get anywhere and we'll just be angry.)
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Monday
Besides, Atheism can be considered a religion in and of itself. And since there is no specific religion... why Atheism then? It should be a blend.
No its not. Atheism is a lack of religion. I'm an atheist and have absolutely no belief in the supernatural (from gods to leprechauns..its all fairy tales to me)
You can't blend religions...it doesn't make sense. How could you blend Hindu and Islam? Doesn't work. Check out Pakistan v India for an example.
We already resolved this argument thank you very much. You should check the later posts before you add to an argument.
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Orranis
If it helps I get your point of view. You consider any religion that doesn't send out missionaries (which btw pretty much excludes all religions bar most sects of Christianity and some sub sects of Islam, possibly Buddhism...but true Buddhists don't believe themselves to be part of a religions, rather followers of a separate personal philosophy....but I'm digressing) to not be universalizing. While I tend to be of the opinion that a religion is only non universalising if it does not allow the induction of new members.
Edit: Just realised I left out Scientology, as one of the worst offenders at being a people hogging religion. But...well...meh...
I fear for scientologists. I mean, the guy made a bet with his friend that he could invent a religion. Keyword being invent.
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Skreeran
This went from politics to religion...Yup.
Although, in our defense, with right wingers, politics and religion tend to go hand in hand.
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Orranis
This went from politics to religion...
Are you implying they aren't connected?
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Monday
Lovely thread. I'll keep it bookmarked for whenever my idiotic brain decides to produce feelings of homesickness for the US. After a few years back in the Netherlands I'm starting to forget how... *unique* Americans can be about religion and politics.
Prejudice much? There are quite a few people in this thread alone who aren't religious at all and live in America. Don't lump stuff together.
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