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Post by
Monday
Actually the part about draenei is false. The only reason the Night Elf will even talk to you is because you save her injured sister/friend from death. And after that the Alliance goes, "Well, the Night Elves like em, so they're good with us!"
Post by
Adamsm
Well, the Draenei are suppose to have crashed a month before the Portal opened again, and they ran into the Night Elves right off the back. Though, there is the quest for the Azure Watch where you heal the injured Night Elf, who calls the Draenei 'Eredar' and the alchemist there says that's information that needs to be passed on to Exodar. I know there is no 'official' quest like the Blood Elves... but it's no difference then the Forsaken Rank; after all, no one really explains how, between the Frozen Throne and the start of WoW, the Undead joined up.
Though, it would have been interesting to have a quest where your traveling with the Ambassadors to the different cities to introduce them heh.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, the Draenei are suppose to have crashed a month before the Portal opened again, and they ran into the Night Elves right off the back. Though, there is the quest for the Azure Watch where you heal the injured Night Elf, who calls the Draenei 'Eredar' and the alchemist there says that's information that needs to be passed on to Exodar. I know there is no 'official' quest like the Blood Elves... but it's no difference then the Forsaken Rank; after all, no one really explains how, between the Frozen Throne and the start of WoW, the Undead joined up.
Though, it would have been interesting to have a quest where your traveling with the Ambassadors to the different cities to introduce them heh.
there is no introduction quest on the forsaken simply because lorewise they joined before wow started, there's a 4 year gap between archimonde's defeat in hyjal, and vainilla wow.
forsaken joined during that gap, and that's why we don't see it.
same for when the night-elves joined the alliance, we don't see it simply because it happens sometime during that gap.
that being said, draenei and blood-elves did joined after the game started, and while we do see blood-elves attempting and desiring to join the horde, and attepmting to fit in, we get no quests at all to welcome the draenei to the alliance, nor do we see any effort of them to fit in or anything like that.
merely a desire of cooperation, but no real friendship and belonging.
this exact pattern was repeated with the frostborn, just look at how they "joined" the alliance, they themselves didn't said a word, don't even wear alliance tabards, don't even leave frosthold.
on the horde, we we recruit the mag'har they truly feel among their kind and gladly rejoin their brohers.
when we recruit the taunka they gladly take the blood-oath, put on horde armor and tabard, and fully pledge as members.
we see mag'har both on warsong hold, and several other zones like the gunship, and we see taunka on several places too.
but draenei, night elves, and frostborn are so secluded and apart from the rest of the alliance that they BARELY have a SMALL presence on the game
is like in the alliance Human>>>>>Dwarf>>>Gnome>>night-elf>Draenei>frostborn
the humans overshadow the rest, almost all bases are human, almost all NPC's are human, almsot everything is human+company.
horde side, while orcs are prominent, they don't overshadow the rest, the other races show up prominently on several zones.
Post by
Monday
horde side, while orcs are prominent, they don't overshadow the rest, the other races show up prominently on several zones.
I don't see many Forsaken/Belves when leveling.
Anyways, the main reason is because Thrall is the leader of the Horde. He decides when where how and why somebody joins, while the Alliance there is no clearcut leader, so anyone can join.
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Post by
Adamsm
there is no introduction quest on the forsaken simply because lorewise they joined before wow started, there's a 4 year gap between archimonde's defeat in hyjal, and vainilla wow.
forsaken joined during that gap, and that's why we don't see it.
same for when the night-elves joined the alliance, we don't see it simply because it happens sometime during that gap.Aye... but you agree right, it's never completely explained; the Night Elves joined the Alliance simply because they wouldn't want to join with the orcs heh. The Forsaken though, just sorta show up, have their original messengers killed, then Thrall says "Okay, let them in; we need a base on Eastern Kingdoms." that's pretty much it.
Well... considering who the Frostborn king is, joining the Alliance makes sense. And don't forget, you do a quest line to become part of the Frostborn, so it's probably a case of "Your a clan brother, and we fight with our brothers." And seeing as you do a lot of quests for the Frostborn and the Earthen, wouldn't say they have no presence.
But, lots of High Elves all around for the Covenant, lots of Dwarves/Gnomes for the Explorers League. I agree though, there should be more Night Elf and Draenei presence... even though you see a lot of them during the run to the Skybreaker in ICC.
Yes, the Draenei have a small part in old Azeroth... but no different then Blood Elves after you finish their starting zones. Outland had a large array of quests done for both the Night Elves and the Draenei(still haven't done quests there for Horde yet so can't comment on that). And you see a lot of Night Elves on Kalimdor, which is their home and they don't want to spread out too much; how many actual Forsaken based quest lines are there that aren't on Eastern Kingdoms? Same thing in that case.
As for the Taunka comment, well of course there more spread out and seen more then the Frostborn; they have more settlements compared to the Dwarf race who's home is in the mountain.
I don't know Rank, you might be seeing it with blinders in this case; you are more of a Horde player then an Alliance after all heh.
and the draenei do follow the light, but not in the same way than the humans or dwarves do, they follow the naaru, wich the humans and dwarves do not.
besides, both draenei and night elves worship nature to some extent (druids and shamans) wich the alliance does not.
Theres only one type of light. The Narru are the light. They both say "May the light embrace you", "Go with the Light", "Light be with you", etc.
Night Elves worship Elune and call on her Light for healing. Only the Draenei call on the Naaru for their Light. Humans and Dwarves are part of the Church of Light which has been around for 30+ years. Gnomes are probably going to have their Church come Cata. Different forms of Light for each race.
Post by
Rankkor
I don't see many Forsaken/Belves when leveling.
but they do have a presence, even if blood-elves and forsaken are a minority (lorewise, in an ironic twist player-wise is the exact oposite) they still show up more than the alliance minority.
Howling fjord is crawling with forsaken, with not 1 or 2 but 3 bases, plus the base in dragonblight.
and blood-elves, they have a base in cristalsong forest, (again, no quests but hey it's a base man, and a big one) plus an entire sector of dalaran full of them. the sunreavers are after all part of the horde.
Edit: /facepalm, lol adams xD u were right, forest song has draenei, how the hell did I missed those after doing loremaster on 2 toons? o_O bad rankkorr, vewy vewy bad XD
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Adamsm
Edit: /facepalm, lol adams xD u were right, forest song has draenei, how the hell did I missed those after doing loremaster on 2 toons? o_O bad rankkorr, vewy vewy bad XDHeh, no problem Rank. I'm hoping that come Cata, Forest Song will be an actual fortified base to strike back against the Warsong forces, as you have been starting to set it up for the last 2 years.
Post by
Monday
I don't see many Forsaken/Belves when leveling.
but they do have a presence, even if blood-elves and forsaken are a minority (lorewise, in an ironic twist player-wise is the exact oposite) they still show up more than the alliance minority.
Howling fjord is crawling with forsaken, with not 1 or 2 but 3 bases, plus the base in dragonblight.
and blood-elves, they have a base in cristalsong forest, (again, no quests but hey it's a base man, and a big one) plus an entire sector of dalaran full of them. the sunreavers are after all part of the horde.
Edit: /facepalm, lol adams xD u were right, forest song has draenei, how the hell did I missed those after doing loremaster on 2 toons? o_O bad rankkorr, vewy vewy bad XD
Exactly. There are Night Elven bases in original WoW, along with Draenei envoys, same as Forsaken/Blood Elves.
Post by
HiVolt
I have an announcement.
Whoever gets the Pandaren = best faction.
That is all.
Also, the Horde is teh awesome. The Alliance is okay too I guess.
Post by
Rankkor
I have an announcement.
Whoever gets the Pandaren = best faction.
That is all.
Also, the Horde is teh awesome. The Alliance is okay too I guess.
xD got ya..... .spotted your secret little hidden subliminal message, how long have u been brain-washing us? o_O
nice job hiding it, but my keen eye can see everything :P (to those who haven't figured it out, quote voltage's posts and U'll see the hidden message cleverly hidden in there xD)
and I hope horde gets the pandaren, the horde is simply the more animalistic faction of the 2, even the worgen savage wolf humanoids have a civil side wich is their human part.
but a race that is purely animalistic, and shamanistic on top of that, should belong to the horde.
I can 100% say that if at any point in the future blizzard adds pandaren to the horde, the alliance-horde ratio on most realms will be 1-40000 xD.
=/ most likely though, pandaren will be added as an NPC race like the tuskarr, just like the furbolgs were.
Post by
Monday
I recall Blizzard saying Pandarens will never be added as a playable race )=
Post by
Adamsm
Bah, who are you kidding, Pandarens will join the Alliance as we have the true brewmasters.
Post by
Orranis
Bah, who are you kidding, Pandarens will join the Alliance as we have the true brewmasters.
We have ogres. Technically speaking.
Post by
Monday
Bah, who are you kidding, Pandarens will join the Alliance as we have the true brewmasters.
We have ogres. Technically speaking.
So? They brew lots, but it sucks.
Dwarves are the true brewmasters.
Post by
Rankkor
yhea, if they are added at any point, there's a high chance that they will be added as an NPC race, like the tuskarr.................
then again, blizzard has tendency of saying a lot of stuff and then change their minds later (anyone recalls the "every expac will have a hero class" bullcrap? or how about ICC will be the last raid in the game stuff?)
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Post by
Rankkor
Bah, who are you kidding, Pandarens will join the Alliance as we have the true brewmasters.
We have ogres. Technically speaking.
So? They brew lots, but it sucks.
Dwarves are the true brewmasters.
so what? the alliance has the mechano-race as the gnomes, it makes sence to add the other mechano-race (goblins) to the horde to serve as rivals to the gnomes.
same goes for beer, alliance has a brewmaster race, dwarves, it would make sence to add the other brewmaster race (pandarens) to the horde to serve as rivals to dwarven ale.
already the gnomish vs goblin rivalry of who manufactures the best tech is old as dirt.
we could be seeing a dwarf vs pandaren of who can make the finest ales in azeroth.
what competition would be if both are in the same faction? that would be like adding goblins to the alliance.
Post by
Monday
yhea, if they are added at any point, there's a high chance that they will be added as an NPC race, like the tuskarr.................
then again, blizzard has tendency of saying a lot of stuff and then change their minds later (anyone recalls the "every expac will have a hero class" bullcrap? or how about ICC will be the last raid in the game stuff?)
They said it would be the last major raid dungeon.
Edit: Goblins joined Horde because of
A. stupidity on the Alliance side
B. Goblin/Gnomes hate each other
C. They have helped Horde before.
Pandarens have done none of those.
Post by
Rankkor
yhea, if they are added at any point, there's a high chance that they will be added as an NPC race, like the tuskarr.................
then again, blizzard has tendency of saying a lot of stuff and then change their minds later (anyone recalls the "every expac will have a hero class" bullcrap? or how about ICC will be the last raid in the game stuff?)
They said it would be the last major raid dungeon.
Edit: Goblins joined Horde because of
A. stupidity on the Alliance side
B. Goblin/Gnomes hate each other
C. They have helped Horde before.
Pandarens have done none of those.
A: alliance can be stupid twice and antagonize the pandarens "by accident" just like they did with the goblins. if it happened once, it can happen twice.
B: Pandarens don't hate anyone, but they take great pride in their brews, being in the neiborhood of another brewmaster race would spark some mild competition or hostility.
C: pandarens have also helped the horde too, chen rings a bell?
edit: besides read what I wrote above, alliance already have a brewmaster race, it would make sence to add another brewer to them? or more sence to add brewmasters to the horde to put some competition for dwarven ale?
on the brewfest event while the alliance gets a good race with plenty of background with beer, (dwarves) we have a race that has absolutely nothing to do with beer at all (goblins) and to add insult to injury they use dwarven masks man :S
come on, adding pandaren to the horde would give us a decent brewfest that is inspired and promoted by horde-only stuff, no need to have goblins dressed up as dwarves.
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