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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
he fact that you will eventually get all the drops you need, and your achievement and quest from them done ensures most people will eventually want to skip those optional bosses eventually.
They drop triumphs. We're talking about triumph farming. What are you talking about?
Too bad they don't, no matter how desperately you try to twist things to make them work both ways.
Yet, you fail to demonstrate how they don't. Because you can't.
I've never had any trouble doing so, but then again I had the common sense to wait till primetime to find a group to farm triumphs on my DPS specs.
Sorry, but I have a life. So do a lot of other WoW players. The game fits into our real-life schedule, not the other way around.
Post by
Dysmetria
Ooh, ooh! Another post to reverse!
My logic is that if you
don't
want to do them, whether for
speed
or
because you hate them
, you should form your own group before queueing, to ensure
no one else want to do them
.
Again, your arguments prove irrelevant.It doesn't matter if one or two want to do it or even 4. If one person does not, then no one in the group should try to force them to. Just like in pretty much every other social situation that is similar.
Sure this isn't as serious as gang-rape, but the concept is the same. The victim here can fight back by ignoring your request like the OP did, or by causing wipes, or by refusing to tank/heal/dps at all, or plenty of other things to grief you back. If you want to try to waste their time they can easily waste yours too.
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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
It doesn't matter if one or two want to do it or even 4. If one person does not, then no one in the group should try to force them to. Just like in pretty much every other social situation that is similar.
It doesn't matter if one or two
don't want to do it
or even 4. If one person
does
, then no one in the group should try to force them
to skip it
. Just like in pretty much every other social situation that is similar.
I'm getting good at this.
Keep 'em coming.
Edit: Lols, beat me.
Post by
292411
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Post by
Dysmetria
he fact that you will eventually get all the drops you need, and your achievement and quest from them done ensures most people will eventually want to skip those optional bosses eventually.
They drop triumphs. We're talking about triumph farming. What are you talking about?I was talking about the three reasons people would want to do the optional bosses, as we have already established that forming your own group first and skipping optional bosses is the fastest to farm emblems of triumph.
Too bad they don't, no matter how desperately you try to twist things to make them work both ways.
Yet, you fail to demonstrate how they don't. Because you can't.I did demonstrate how the opposite isn't true in both cases. Yet you fail to reply to that because you cannot refute it. Your reading comprehension difficulties and flawed argument aren't my problem, they are yours.
I've never had any trouble doing so, but then again I had the common sense to wait till primetime to find a group to farm triumphs on my DPS specs.
Sorry, but I have a life. So do a lot of other WoW players. The game fits into our real-life schedule, not the other way around.Lots of people don't raid because they can't fit that into their real life schedule either. Yet I don't see them QQing about how random strangers won't carry them thru ICC 25man or the frost emblems those bosses drop that they'll never get.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I was talking about the three reasons people would want to do the optional bosses, as we have already established that forming your own group first and skipping optional bosses is the fastest to farm emblems of triumph.
No, you just asserted that out of the blue.
I did demonstrate how the opposite isn't true in both cases. Yet you fail to reply to that because you cannot refute it. Your reading comprehension difficulties and flawed argument aren't my problem, they are yours.
iseewhatyoudidthere.
The only problem is that you just lied.
Lying is bad, mmmk?
Lots of people don't raid because they can't fit that into their real life schedule either. Yet I don't see them QQing about how random strangers won't carry them thru ICC 25man or the frost emblems those bosses drop that they'll never get.
A) No one's getting carried.
B) No one said they can't fit heroics into their schedule.
C) You're the one complaining. Everyone else is saying just do what the group wants to do.
You're the only one who is complaining.
Post by
Dysmetria
So basically people shouldn't use LFD unless they want what you want, because if you meet someone that feels different than you it's inconvenient for you? Do you have any idea how arrogant that makes you sound? No I'm saying people should form their own group if they want to do an optional boss for an achievement or blue gear drop or quest as it is the best way for them to ensure they get what they want.
That they will no longer whine all thru a random about how they want us to waste our time helping them do so when we already formed our own groups back when we wanted something from those bosses too will just be a bonus for the rest of us.
You even try to mask it by calling it common sense and referring to "like the rest of us did". Stop using words like "we" and "us" trying to include the broad masses into what is nothing more than your private opinion. Who are the "we" and "us" you speak for? Do you actually have people telling you that you speak exactly whats on their minds and that they request you to be their spokesman or is it just a vain attempt to put more weight behind what is only your personal opinion and your personal version of "common sense"?The we and us I speak for are the vast majority of 80s that prefer to skip. I don't see how it is my personal version of common sense when it is quite obviously common sense.
Conversely, queueing solo and expecting 4 random strangers to help you do an achivement or get a drop or do a quest from a boss that odds are at least one of the four does not want to waste their time doing displays a definite lack of common sense.
You're nothing but a spoiled kid stomping your feet in anger. In the example you quoted you've stepped into a group that agrees to do a full clear, yet you insist that they should stay out of your way because you're the sensible, courteous one? "No, no, no, NO! YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE UNLESS YOU WANT WHAT I WANT!"I was quoting examples of behavior I have seen when the spoiled kid comes into the run wanting 4 strangers to help him get what he wants. Yeah, they get mad when they don't, and I find their tantrums both in game and in threads like this most amusing.
After all they could have ensured the boss was still up, and that they had a group willing to help them with the achievement or quest or to try for the gear drop by forming their own group, instead of selfishly queueing and expecting random strangers to waste their time. They could have gotten what they wanted and avoided the problems they themselves cause and are QQing about instead. I guess some people just take longer to grow out of the selfish phase than others.
Post by
48586
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Post by
Dysmetria
No, you just asserted that out of the blue.What part about it don't you get? You yourself agreed with the consensus that it is faster to skip optional bosses when you aren't waiting a long time in the queue. Obviously it is faster to get into a farming group and avoid the queue than wait in the queue after every run, So how is it not faster to form your own group when farming triumph emblems as a DPS?
iseewhatyoudidthere.
The only problem is that you just lied.
Lying is bad, mmmk?
I fail to see how I lied either. But keep up with them troll tactics, it'll never make you right but a few of the less intelligent people might think you are.
A) No one's getting carried.
B) No one said they can't fit heroics into their schedule.
C) You're the one complaining. Everyone else is saying just do what the group wants to do.
You're the only one who is complaining.
A)Generally the people that want to do an optional boss for the blue gear they drop are getting carried. Melee with no hit that do crap DPS, tanks with no defense the healer blows his whole mana bar on every pull, healers that can barely keep the tank up...sure they try but when their DPS is 5% and the tanks is 15%, they are being carried.
B)No, but apparently a few of you are saying you can't fit getting a group to farm heroics together into your schedule, and that because you want to farm emblems of triumph slower by queueing solo, we should all have to waste our time and farm them slower for ourselves to help you get them a little faster.
C)I'm not complaining at all, like I said I've skipped the optional bosses every time in the hundreds of runs where dungeons with them randomly came up. Occasionally one or two people did complain because they wanted to do those bosses, but hopefully they got over their problem they themselves purposely caused by queueing solo by now.
Post by
48586
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Post by
Dysmetria
Dysmetria, you really seem to have problems...
Stop saying everyone "Form your own groups if you don't want to skip bosses"... For *!@# sake, YOU go and form a group where you DO skip bosses.I do, every time I queue solo for a random.
If you don't like me saying that, feel free to ignore it. Not everyone can handle good advice, even if it is full of simple logic and common sense.
As many have already said that by joining a random dungeon group, you join a random group with RANDOM goals, and the "RANDOM goal" is NOT YOUR goal... Necessarily...
Grow up, will ya?I didn't say their goals were my goals. I said that they could achieve their goals faster and without any of the aforementioned problems they are causing by simply forming a group of people with the same goals.
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48586
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
A)Generally the people that want to do an optional boss for the blue gear they drop are getting carried. Melee with no hit that do crap DPS, tanks with no defense the healer blows his whole mana bar on every pull, healers that can barely keep the tank up...sure they try but when their DPS is 5% and the tanks is 15%, they are being carried.
Get off you "Blue gear" throne of fail, would you?
As I already said: we're talking about triumph farming.
B)No, but apparently a few of you are saying you can't fit getting a group to farm heroics together into your schedule, and that because you want to farm emblems of triumph slower by queueing solo, we should all have to waste our time and farm them slower for ourselves to help you get them a little faster.
Here's the clincher. Contrary to what you may think, queue time =/= wasted time. If like me you have very little WoW time, and only at odd hours, you learn how to farm/housekeep/do dailies/etc. while waiting for queue.
C)I'm not complaining at all, like I said I've skipped the optional bosses every time in the hundreds of runs where dungeons with them randomly came up. Occasionally one or two people did complain because they wanted to do those bosses, but hopefully they got over their problem they themselves purposely caused by queueing solo by now.
Yes, you're complaining about groups that kill optional bosses. Go ahead deny it, and destroy your own argument.
I fail to see how I lied either.
See post above this one.
Post by
Dysmetria
iseewhatyoudidthere.
The only problem is that you just lied.
Lying is bad, mmmk?
I fail to see how I lied either. But keep up with them troll tactics, it'll never make you right but a few of the less intelligent people might think you are.
Yes, you fail to see that you lied. Read up this one more time:
"I did demonstrate how the opposite isn't true in both cases."
Now, show me how you were gonna claim this true, please.I demonstrated how the opposite isn't true in more than one way. I'm sorry if you failed to read it, or just couldn't comprehend, but your ignorance is not my problem.
With 4 or 5 of you nitpicking every little thing you possibly can, (which wasn't much,) in your desperate (and failed,) attempts to prove my advice is somehow wrong, I can't be bothered to respond to every nonsensical post.
While it is cool you have psychic powers and can tell me exactly what lie he was talking about, it is irrelevant. I cannot possibly lie about my opinion on what is morally ethical or common courtesy when running a dungeon in a video game.
If you don't like my opinion, by all means keep your own, and queue solo, and cause all these problems like the guy the OP is talking bout did and uselessly whine about them when you could easily avoid them. I'll keep queueing for randoms and ignoring the occasional odd one of you that wants me to waste my time downing optional bosses and skip them anyways, like I have been doing for months. Maybe I'll try to explain it to you again in the next thread about this where one of you will inevitably amuse me with more useless QQ about the problems you purposely cause yourselves and others.
And, yet I find it funny how you didn't comment my comment, I find myself almost insulted :(
But, I am going to bed now. Write a lot, keep me busy tomorrow! Love ya! ;D ...Fool..Like I said, I can't respond to every comment from every troll in here, there seems to be a lot of you.
Yes, I am the fool for not purposely causing myself and others needless problems and then uselessly whining about them.
Post by
48586
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Related:
People who think everyone who disagrees with them is a troll are so easily trolled that they'll fall for
Concerned Mother
.
Come on in all you concerned mothers!
Post by
Dysmetria
Get off you "Blue gear" throne of fail, would you?
As I already said: we're talking about triumph farming.
Here's the clincher. Contrary to what you may think, queue time =/= wasted time. If like me you have very little WoW time, and only at odd hours, you learn how to farm/housekeep/do dailies/etc. while waiting for queue.Well which are we talking about then? Farming triumphs, or farming/housekeeping/doing dailies? If you want to farm triumphs, form your own group. If you want to do other stuff in between runs while hanging out in the queue, that is fine, but don't expect the people that are just farming emblems to slow their farming down just to help you get them a little faster when you purposely are choosing to farm them slower. You could be getting them lots faster by forming your own group instead.
Yes, you're complaining about groups that kill optional bosses. Go ahead deny it, and destroy your own argument.I'm giving simple advice to the people that complain when they can't farm optional bosses, like the rogue the OP mentioned. It isn't an argument, it is advice. Obviously you aren't good at taking it.
You see, here's the only thing I agree with you: YES! You seem to fail all the time.You're right, I obviously did fail to give out good advice. Tho I blame these trolls that don't want to take it more than my poor communication skills.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Get off you "Blue gear" throne of fail, would you?
As I already said: we're talking about triumph farming.
Here's the clincher. Contrary to what you may think, queue time =/= wasted time. If like me you have very little WoW time, and only at odd hours, you learn how to farm/housekeep/do dailies/etc. while waiting for queue.Well which are we talking about then? Farming triumphs, or farming/housekeeping/doing dailies? If you want to farm triumphs, form your own group. If you want to do other stuff in between runs while hanging out in the queue, that is fine, but don't expect the people that are just farming emblems to slow their farming down just to help you get them a little faster when you purposely are choosing to farm them slower. You could be getting them lots faster by forming your own group instead.
Get this through your head.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE.
Since you're so good at getting your own group together, why aren't you doing it yourself? Get rid of random queuing all together.
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