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Did i really deserve to get guild kick?
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The only arguments you delivered HSR are that he deserved the kick because he used the guild's resources but didn't abide to the rules, which the OP never stated he did, therefore your argument is invalid.
I already stated
VERY
clearly that resources =/= only consumables.
The guild, it's people, and their time are all resources.
By raiding in a guild, you are using it's resources, whether you bring your own consumables or not. In exchange for that, the guild requires certain things. In this case, one of those things is not to PuG 10-mans.
In the other one you stated was that your guild uses 10 mans as a training zone for applicants, but again, I didn't see the OP post anything along those lines, therefore it is too invalid.
It's a perfectly valid reason for the rule. What are you talking about? Does that mean they run OS and Naxx every week? No. It means they don't want people getting saved should a low level run become necessary.
You saying something is invalid doesn't make it so.
Sure, they might make sense to you and for your guild, but not every guild works in the same way. Yours is not the center of the universe.
Neither are you, so does that make your argument invalid too?
That said, it's quite obvious that the majority of the people posting in this topic agree that the officer was unreasonable and maybe power hungry or whatever. The least he could have done was take it to the GM who could then decide what should be done and at least talk to the OP about it.
Actually the majority here agree that the officer was justified in kicking him.
See, I can make of statistics on the spot too!
If it were the OP's first offence to this "serious" rule, a guild kick is undeserved.
A rule is a rule. And when contacted by an officer he did not apologize, but made an excuse.
Having a college degree adds nothing to anyone's credibility, sorry.
Anyone can say they've got degree X and Y, or earn over ninethousand dollars a week.
Does it make it true? Perhaps it is, perhaps not.
Does it add anything to the argument besides the ability to say "I've studied something that has nothing to do with WoW, but has a slight connection to this argument, therefore I know more about it than you"
I think not.
/equips FR gear for HSR fanclub
What the ^&*! is up with people's concern with my degree?
I mentioned it once, because someone made the point too shut out someone's argument because they were still in grade school. And now apparently sever people here have the urge to call me a liar. Shut up about the degree already people.
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We aren't debating the legality of it.
Maybe you're not. But I am.
If you don't want to debate about that, then don't!
I know you mean by resources also time and all, but in all honesty and reality, I highly doubt the officers were spending time and effort on the OP.
After all, we gear our own toon and make time to do raids, not the officers.
Sure they organize them, but as long as you don't waste their time by ruining every single raid, I don't think you owe them anything.
Sure, they m
You paragraph just proves that you don't understand. Did I say anything about officers?
Maybe it does in your eyes, but at least I'm willing to accept that different guilds work in different ways.
Yes, so the you're admitting that it is a valid reason for the rule then. Then what's your point?
You brought it up, more than once. Expect it to be fired back at you.
FFS, I mentioned it once. After that point I never brought it up until I was attack, at which points I said to stop talking about it.
You people need to grow up.
Would you apologize for something you don't think is wrong? Or would you make an excuse instead?
I know what I would do.
If you want to stay in the guild. Yes, you would apologize.
Why on earth would running naxx or OS become necessary with current content?
Why are you asking me? I for sure never said they were.
The only thing I agree with you on is that a guild can indeed kick whoever they please without having to justify themselves. But that doesn't always make it justified.
If they have the authority to do so (which is what "can" means here) then that in and of itself is justification.
btw everyone and their mom has a college degree
just fyi
See^ This is exactly what I'm talking about. Shut up all ready.
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If I can shoot a street dog between the eyes (which isn't illegal afaik), does that make it justified?
That's not authority. That's ability.
Come on people. Think critically.
No I don't get it obviously. Please tell me more about these magical resources you're talking about.
Structure, guaranteeing you a raiding spot.
Dependence, guaranteeing you a full raid.
Trust, guaranteeing you a fair chance at loot.
Familiarity, guaranteeing a similar experience every week.
Etc.
Etc.
Then who are you debating? No one said that he didn't break the rules. They are just saying the consequences don't fit the crime.
You
just
said we're not debating the legality of it -- so don't change it to "whether he broke the rule or not."
The legality of it
...i.e. whether the rule should exist or not. That is the issue I was arguing, and it's quite obvious if you actually go and read the last 8 pages.
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If the guild had any trust or familiarity, they wouldn't kick any of their guild members on the spot because they broke a simple rule.
If he for example had harassed a fellow member, or ninja'ed an item or whatever, sure, but doing a pug raid?
Come on, even you can't believe this is fair.
There go your resources.
Uh what? Way to completely ignore context.
Honestly, you really need to work on your critical thinking.
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Hyperspacerebel
You
just
said we're not debating the legality of it -- so don't change it to "whether he broke the rule or not."
The legality of it
...i.e. whether the rule should exist or not. That is the issue I was arguing, and it's quite obvious if you actually go and read the last 8 pages.
le·gal·i·ty
/liˈgælɪti/ Show Spelled Show IPA
–noun,plural-ties.
1.
the state or quality of being in conformity with the law; lawfulness.
2.
attachment to or observance of law.
You sure you went to college?
Wow, thanks for proving my point.
So if you would like to continue to discuss the legality of the rule, be my guest. Otherwise, I have nothing more to say to you.
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You need to open up your mind.
Did the OP by pugging a 10 man hurt the guild in ANY way?
If yes, then the kick is justified
If no, then it isn't.
now tell me, do you think he hurt his guild?
He undermined the authority of the rules.
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I'm sure that would be the basis to the downfall of the whole guild.
Do you really believe that?
Who ever said anything about "the downfall of the whole guild"?
You said it would be okay to kick for ninjaing...that's not a basis for the downfall of the whole guild either...
Again, you're not thinking critically.
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