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Post by
Monday
There is gray everywhere in Azeroth for all the races; Dwarves with their interwar between the clans, Night Elves with the sundering of their species, the Humans.... entire history, hell they started out of a group that had one Clan conqueroring the other ones, the Gnomes and their destruction of their city, and the Worgen and the effects of the Curse over the last decade or so.
Actually, the Gnomes made a stupid decision once and have had ZERO lore since. Also, I'd consider the Dwarves' Manifest Destiny-like beliefs to be much much higher on the scale of evil bastards than the war between the clans and the Dark Irons.
Worse than the Horde's Manifest which is "This world is ours. GTFO." Compared to the dwarves, which is "We wish to discover our past. GTFO of our digs."
Post by
Adamsm
There is gray everywhere in Azeroth for all the races; Dwarves with their interwar between the clans, Night Elves with the sundering of their species, the Humans.... entire history, hell they started out of a group that had one Clan conqueroring the other ones, the Gnomes and their destruction of their city, and the Worgen and the effects of the Curse over the last decade or so.
Actually, the Gnomes made a stupid decision once and have had ZERO lore since. Also, I'd consider the Dwarves' Manifest Destiny-like beliefs to be much much higher on the scale of evil bastards than the war between the clans and the Dark Irons.
Worse than the Human's Manifest which is "This world is ours. GTFO." Compared to the dwarves, which is "We wish to discover our past. GTFO of our digs."
Fix'd. No Horde thinks the World is there...... well, except for Garrosh heh.
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451455
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Post by
Patty
The high elves fought to reclaim Silvermoon, but were exiled because the blood elves were mad at them for not taking in demonic taint.
Most high elves that remain quel'dorei today were not in Quel'thalas when the Scourge attacked; but in places like Dalaran, Stormwind and with Jaina.
Post by
Adamsm
even when they could considering it was them the ones who turned their backs to silvermoon
The high elves fought to reclaim Silvermoon, but were exiled because the blood elves were mad at them for not taking in demonic taint.
That's not the only reason; the Blood Elves attempted to corrupt as many High Elves as well, wanting to draw them back into the fold.
Post by
Rankkor
even when they could considering it was them the ones who turned their backs to silvermoon
The high elves fought to reclaim Silvermoon, but were exiled because the blood elves were mad at them for not taking in demonic taint.
ok, a timeline has to be established here.
1: Silvermoon fell, king anasterian was murdered, prince kael'thas is the leader of the high-elves, and renames his people "blood-elves", other than the name, there is no change whatsoever in the elven behaviour, so all elves are known as blood-elves, even those who were away from silvermoon when the crap hit the fan. their eyes were still blue at the time. they only adopted the new name to honor the ones who gave their lives so that a few survivors could live.
2: Garithos royaly screws over the blood-elves for no reason at all, and first orders them to martyrize themselves against the scourge, and when the elves actually win, he declares them traitors to the alliance for no reason and orders a mass genocide agaist the entire race.
3: blood-elves escape the dalaran dungeons, join Illidan and start feeding of fel-magic. their eyes become green to reflect their corruption.
4: some blood-elves didn't liked this last third step and refused to feed on demonic energy, so they left, re-adopted the name of high-elves and rejoined the alliance before feeding so their eyes remained blue.
5: blood-elves (green eyes) get betrayed by kael, they seek forgiveness from the naaru, and work their asses off to mend what they broke by fighting their former prince first on outland and later on azeroth by preventing the return of the legion togheter with the draenei.
6: blood-elves fully redeem themselves when the sunwell is reclaimed and bathed on the holy light of creation thus becoming a living embodiment of light energy. Blood-elves start feeding on holy light (legaly this time) thus slowly diminishing their corruption.
7: high-elves to this day refuse to return to their homelands even when their compatriots have turned over a new leaf, even when their compatriots show enough good faith to allow them entry to the sunwell (the thirst and adiction to arcane magic is something inherent in ALL white elves, be it high or blood).
this draws paralels to the orcs, who have a similar time-line.
A: orcs drink demon blood, and gain green skin, some refuse to doit and retain their brown skin.
B: brown orcs refuse to follow their corrupted brothers to war.
C: green orcs get their asses kicked for playing with fire, and pay the consequences of their terrible deeds, get imprisoned for almsot 20 years, suffering constant phisical and verval abuse, get beaten to a bloody pulp every day for no reason, suffer the letargy of the blood-curse, and see their once noble and proud heritage being reduced to animals entertaining human nobles.
D: Green orcs learn from their mistakes, escape their captives, abandon the demonic ways, accept once more the noble shamanistic path of the past, and free themselves of their curse by slaying mannoroth and fully fighting against the legion.
E: Green orcs return to their homeland, and when the brown orcs see their former brothers have finnaly cleansed themselves of their corruption, they eagerly accept them and re-join their kin.
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2 tales, very similar to one another, but one has a happy ending, and the other has a crappy ending.
wich one of these races was the most noble? the one willing to let go of the old grudges? or the one letting less than 5 years of bad blood split them apart?.
Post by
Rankkor
BTW we were trolled, this thread was to discuss everything that was wrong with garrosh, and that topic has been completely sidelined.
I humbly sugest to vote for a lock, since the OP hasn't even had the courtesy of posting here to defend his lovely psychopath.-
Post by
Adamsm
Uh Rank... your time line is off: Any who were with Kael become Sin'dori, but only certain ones followed him and Vashj through the portal and were captured. Most of the High Elves were those in the Hinterlands, those in the south, those who survived the Dalaran attack, and those who had gone West to Theramore. After the events of the Frozen Throne, the Blood Elves, attempting to gain more clout, went hunting for their 'cousins' and tried to draw them back to the fold; either by evoking memories of the homeland, or by force feeding them magic to awaken the Hunger.
Yes, some High Elves traveled back with them, but many said no and left their cousins, disgusted by what they became. Then, the whole Mu'ru thing came out in the open, and that divided them even more; the High Elves disgusted by that perversion. And before you jump on it Rank, only those who were with Liadrin for the Shattered Sun Offensive found out the truth when Khadgar and A'dal told them of the prophecy that Velen made.
So, it's not '5' years, it's only been 2 at the absolute most and you don't just forget things like that. Again, you can't compare the Orcs to any other race when it comes to things like this.
Post by
Rankkor
So, it's not '5' years, it's only been 2 at the absolute most and you don't just forget things like that. Again, you can't compare the ELVES to any other race when it comes to things like this.
fixed it for you. it's the elves who have a stuck-up nature, not the orcs.
basically it all boils down to what gimli said in LOTR "Never trust an elf"
if they are unable to forgive something that happened a long time ago, amongst their own kin, how can you expect to trust them?
the actions of blood-elves against the high-elves weren't as terrible as the actions of green orcs agaist the brown orcs.
the green orcs were even more brutal agaist their kin than the elves, and even then their kin learned to let go of the past and move foward, it's not about orcs or elves, it's about elves and their stuck-up nature to never let go of a grudge.
since the exaple you provided before is quite valid, to this day, kaldorei have never forgiven the quel'dorei for what happened 10000 years ago, so how can quel'dorei forgive sin'dorei for something that happened 2 years ago?
this is the reason I admire orcs so much, they are not the type to hold a grudge, especially agaist their own kin.
Post by
Adamsm
since the exaple you provided before is quite valid, to this day, kaldorei have never forgiven the quel'dorei for what happened 10000 years ago, so how can quel'dorei forgive sin'dorei for something that happened 2 years ago?Aye, in fact, the RPG books say that High Elves(right, the High Elves) were watched around the Moonwells, even though they were 'allies'... of course, all Blood Elves were shot on sight heh.
As for the Green vs Brown... that's a little different; they might not hold grudges but the Green-skinned orcs did see the Brown as the weaker ones, the sickly ones who weren't worth fighting or killing and just to leave them in place to hopefully die out while the Brown saw the Green as tainted and little better then the demons themselves. Yes it changed with Thrall but that was only a few years as well heh.
Post by
Rankkor
Rank... you know nothing at all of the Sunwell lore... just stop talking.
this from the guy who knew nothing about greymane's atack against admiral proudmoore on terenas' hall? this from the same guy who said garithos executed elves for consuming demon magic (even when the elves consumed fel magic AFTER THEY ESCAPED garithos unfair sentece) this from the same guy who said varian suffered more than alextrazsa, and later said varian was kidnapped before his kingdom whent to the sh1thole?.
please, if anyone here shows a hollow knoledge of lore is you, who allways pull crap out of your b-hind and plant it as lore, on more than 1 time addams, patty, argent, myself, and skreeran have to /facepalm to hear the intrinsecate amount of nonesence you spew about wow's lore.
and BTW
just stop talking
you don't get it do ya? u're NOT the boss of me, u can't order me arround kiddo, if I wanna post, I post, you don't have a saying on it.
capishe?
Post by
Skreeran
Please, let's be civil.
Post by
taurenmoo812
since the exaple you provided before is quite valid, to this day, kaldorei have never forgiven the quel'dorei for what happened 10000 years ago, so how can quel'dorei forgive sin'dorei for something that happened 2 years ago?Aye, in fact, the RPG books say that High Elves(right, the High Elves) were watched around the Moonwells, even though they were 'allies'... of course, all Blood Elves were shot on sight heh.
As for the Green vs Brown... that's a little different; they might not hold grudges but the Green-skinned orcs did see the Brown as the weaker ones, the sickly ones who weren't worth fighting or killing and just to leave them in place to hopefully die out while the Brown saw the Green as tainted and little better then the demons themselves.
Yes it changed with Thrall but that was only a few years as well heh.
I just wanted to highlight that for future reference.
Post by
Rankkor
Please, let's be civil.
tell it to him who is the one calling me ignorant, and on top of that ordering me to stop posting, who does he thinks he is?
addamns and I are debating in a civil way, without insults, or without double-guessing the other's knoledge about lore.
and then along comes darkton and says "rank u're an idiot STFU".
honest to god I dont' know what is his problem.
Post by
Adamsm
Yes it changed with Thrall but that was only a few years as well heh.
I just wanted to highlight that for future reference.
/roll eyes and shake head.
Post by
Monday
Please, let's be civil.
tell it to him who is the one calling me ignorant, and on top of that ordering me to stop posting, who does he thinks he is?
addamns and I are debating in a civil way, without insults, or without double-guessing the other's knoledge about lore.
and then along comes darkton and says "rank u're an idiot STFU".
honest to god I dont' know what is his problem.
Well, half the problem is that Dark insults yes... but then you won't let it go. We could havejust continued the debate, when you had to make another post dealing with Darkton.
Post by
Rankkor
so...... the correct solution is........ darkton trows crap in my face for NO REASON AT ALL, and I just accept it?
as you saw, I dind't insulted him back, and that's good enough on my behalf, I did however made it clear that I won't tolerate his unprovoked atacks against me, specially when I haven't given him cause for such atacks.
it's amazing how later he either claims he was "just kidding" or tries to paint himself as the poor victim.
Post by
Monday
so...... the correct solution is........ darkton trows crap in my face for NO REASON AT ALL, and I just accept it?
as you saw, I dind't insulted him back, and that's good enough on my behalf, I did however made it clear that I won't tolerate his unprovoked atacks against me, specially when I haven't given him cause for such atacks.
it's amazing how later he either claims he was "just kidding" or tries to paint himself as the poor victim.
Trust me, he throws crap in everybody's face. If you see his icon, ignore the entire post and continue in the debate. Its what I have to do sometimes with Tauren/Dark.
(Sorry guys its true though...)
Post by
Rankkor
If you see his icon, ignore the entire post and continue in the debate
hump, not a bad idea, easier said than done though, but I'm willing to doit for the sake of peace.
Trust me, he throws crap in everybody's face
QFT, I'm not even sure why he's still even here.
Post by
Skreeran
so...... the correct solution is........ darkton trows crap in my face for NO REASON AT ALL, and I just accept it?Essentially... yes. There's a report button up in the corner, and that's how we handle these things. It's not easy, but no one likes a flame war, and they only cause more hostility in the future. Rather than confronting the flamer, the correct action is to let the mods handle it. I'd hate for ArgentSun to have to lock our threads again and give us a talking to.
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