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Post by
mojojojo101
Those guys aren't dumb. They knew they were triggering a bug. They knew it made the encounter easier. Maybe they didn't know exactly how they were triggering it, but they obviously liked that they were triggering the bug.
They could have opened a ticket right there and than (or called blizz, aren't they on payroll? they must have direct numbers than). Instead they exploited the bug to get world first, instead of doing what honest employes would do - report bug and work on getting lich king down without exploit, even if it means getting a kill an hour later.
Blizz should see if they can get a more honest group of players to do this job.
So if you honestly saw this you wouldnt exploit it?
Of course it is a Blizzard game and sure they can ban whoever they like for whatever reason they like whenever they like but that doesn't mean that they should. I think we can see just from the amount of posts on here/mmo-champ/official forums that people are very angry about what seems like a somewhat unjustified ban.
Ive seen several people use the argument 'well in the past there world firsts have been dubious'. Well to be honest in my opinion each case needs to be judged as a new case. You cant convict someone of murder because he stole some comics years earlier. Its the same thing,
1)Blizz ^&*!s up and doesnt test encounter enough letting a serious bug through
2)Ensidia kill the boss without knowing how the bug is caused
3)Blizz want to enact some kind of revenge for past occurences or for w/e reason and ban the raid members.
To be honest it seems like this incident is dragging people out of the woodwork who just dont like ensidia for w/e reason, jealousy?
Post by
skribs
I think (if the prior allegations are correct) that bringing up the past is relevant for determining whether or not Ensidia had malicious intent. I haven't personally paid attention to them much in the past, but from what I can tell some of it was either luck (e.g. the mimi glitch I don't see how that could have been timed right) or the encounter itself. That's the thing about being the first guild to get good attempts at an encounter is - you're also the first guild to get those bugs.
Pezz hit it right on the money. Either 1) they weren't aware of the bug (if they killed it on 10-man first, they were likely aware of it - but didn't know the cause), 2) they couldn't figure out the source (which is honestly not their job to fix, it's Blizzard's), or 3) they did it intentionally (in which case it is justified).
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skribs
Yeah, but this doesn't prove they purposefully used the exploit to their advantage. It just proves that the bug trivialized the encounter for them by making it unnecessary to kill the val'kyr. It's like a Sarth 3D zerg where you simply kill Sarth before the drakes can kill the raid - you're not doing the encounter, you're ignoring fight mechanics as a result of gear scaring absurdly high. Isn't this the same thing? But that's not considered an exploit...it's just ignored because gear got so out of hand and most people don't care about Sarth.
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Post by
skumbananer
really lame on blizzards part. What if using.... lets say concussion blow caused lets say Sartharion to get stunned for 5 seconds. Blizzard bugged that, and concussion blow works on Sartharion.
When sarth is stunned, it also effects any walls of fire, they also stand still while the boss is stunned.
if that was the case, would using concussion blow on sartharion result in getting a entire raid banned and any loot deleted?
Ofc Blizzard should fix that bug as concussion blow makes the encounter so much easier, as there is less damage on the tank, and more time to get away from fire walls. Not working as intended. But a bannable offense? that would be lame.
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Post by
karlusdavius
If Blizz think you're abusing it, then whatever you were doing IS an abuse by their standard.
I would like to know what their standard is. They don;t exactly have a good track record themselves now do they.
If you read Kungens blog, GM's were watching the fight. That's pretty typical. Any fight which a top guild gets too that hasn't been tested ont he PTR is probably going to be watched.
So why didn't the GM's say somethign or ask them to what a few minutes to see why it was happening?
Odd that, don't you think?
Post by
skumbananer
"If Blizz think you're abusing it, then whatever you were doing IS an abuse by their standard"
If that is the case, i suggest Blizzard introduces a referee npc that appears every bossfight and explains the rules.'
something that teleports in, and says "This is mr referee, you are about to fight Gluth. i want a nice clean fight, that means you are not allowed to tank him too far back, and you are supposed to tank his adds, not kite them. Kiteing them or tanking him too far back will result in a 72 hour ban. And also, no using of the skill lifeblood during this encounter, Gluth is allergic to flowers, and that will also result in a 72 hour ban. all understood the rules? Yes? then round 1, GET IT ON!"
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Post by
dumac
Blizz cannot make it fool proof even with beta testing, there is always gonna be one bug occuring no matter how much testing they do in the time present schedule on how fast content will be reöleased. To make sure new content is bug free, blizz would have to double/triple their testing period of PTR and that would ^&*! all of you off.
Now to the point that ensidia got banned is mostly due that they may have not been aware that bug would occur(i will leave that to doubt), but do not tell me after the bug occured they would not see something was wrong. They know the tactic of fight very well so then it suddenly got easier due some tactic went missing they deserved the banned and stripping. If they done the right thing and wiped themself and not used the exploit who went intentionally after knowing they was doing something wrong due the fight mechanics was disabled for a part of the fight, they would have not had this occured and could happily be doing it now.
I have no pity for this guild, they use a bug, they get a banned.
Well done blizz, i hope some harder actions will be kept so it does not slide like it usually does from now on.
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Post by
farfignugen
If Blizzard had gm's watching the encounter, wouldn't a in game ticket have been answered promptly instead of the 2-5 day wait most of us get? Just wondering about that, also if they had opened a ticket and then continued they might not have been banned.
Post by
mojojojo101
If Blizzard had gm's watching the encounter, wouldn't a in game ticket have been answered promptly instead of the 2-5 day wait most of us get? Just wondering about that, also if they had opened a ticket and then continued they might not have been banned.
For a guild sponsered to get world firsts thats not really an option incase another guild is just about to kill it with the bug
Post by
Ralin
Blizzard issued that banned after being severely butt-hurt when the most hyped boss of all times was taken down on the first tries by a silly bug. Long live SW The Old Republic and Bioware XD
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