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Does Arthas truely deserve redemption?
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Adamsm
Frostmourne started taking bites out of Arthas soul from the moment he picked it up; but, while he did some good... he also burned the ships meant to take his people home and blamed the mercenaries who helped them fight back. He was on a steady road of destruction; where the ends justified the means no matter what the cost was; had it come to down to it to defeat Mel'ganis, he would have happily slaughtered every member of the army with him... oh wait; he did.
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barthem
Frostmourne started taking bites out of Arthas soul from the moment he picked it up; but, while he did some good... he also burned the ships meant to take his people home and blamed the mercenaries who helped them fight back. He was on a steady road of destruction; where the ends justified the means no matter what the cost was; had it come to down to it to defeat Mel'ganis, he would have happily slaughtered every member of the army with him... oh wait; he did.
wel i just sayt, he would do everything to get his venegeance
he was crazy, crazy but not evil(aka killing his entire army to he could raise them as undead, that did the soulless body controlled by the lichking)
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Adamsm
Arthas was already on his road to damnation? I don't think so - he was a "The End justify the Means" character.
When he took Frostmourne the ends changed, no more was he honorable or capable of remorse.
Simply put: doing what had to be done =/= complete lack of remorse.
Actually he was Delt; Mel'ganis, Ner'zhul the Lich King, and KT had planned his entire fall to transform him into the Hand of the Scourge to take the world for the Legion.
he was crazy, crazy but not evil(aka killing his entire army to he could raise them as undead, that did the soulless body controlled by the lichking)No, he was still Arthas at that point, just the Arthas who had turned on the Light and began to fulfill his new life as the Scourge commander.
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Adamsm
Actually he was Delt; Mel'ganis, Ner'zhul the Lich King, and KT had planned his entire fall to transform him into the Hand of the Scourge to take the world for the Legion.
Would you say that, without the planning of a Nathrezim, a crazed Archmage and the cold armor of the North, Arthas would have become as bad as he did?
Honestly... yes. Arthas was a hurt soul, but he wouldn't have fallen as far as he did without the extra trauma done to him by the Legion and the Scourge.
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Adamsm
Even if it took "the loss of his soul" to become what he did?
Well that's the thing... what would have happened if he hadn't of taken up Frostmourne? I mean, he only 'injured' Mal'ganis he didn't kill him after all even with the blade. Had he turned back when ordered, he would have ended up as just the Prince waiting for his father to die so he could be king.
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Adamsm
If he hadn't taken Frostmourne the Undead Scourge of Mal'ganis' would have destroyed him.
Well, that's the thing though; he and Marudin went off looking for the Blade after the he ordered the fleet burned; had he turned back before that point, the Scourge would merely have been the Force under Mal'ganis; dangerous, but not the threat Arthas turned it into.
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Adamsm
I disagree with the poster above, there's redemption because, despite seeing only darkness ahead, Arthas clearly shows remorse when he asked his father if "it was over" - something that Frostmourne kept him from having.
Although it wasn't exactly redemption - Arthas didn't make up for what he did - in truth, it wasn't Arthas, it was a mortal being without remorse.
Aye, he's suffering the same thing as the souls in Frostmourne now that the blade is damaged; final death, soul death, and no chance for traveling to whatever Heaven is in Azeroth.
If he hadn't taken Frostmourne the Undead Scourge of Mal'ganis' would have destroyed him.
Well, that's the thing though; he and Marudin went off looking for the Blade after the he ordered the fleet burned; had he turned back before that point, the Scourge would merely have been the Force under Mal'ganis; dangerous, but not the threat Arthas turned it into.
That statement feels kinda off the discussion >.>
Aye guess it is heh. Alright, on topic; had he left when he was recalled, that would have been it; no need for him to pick up Frostmourne; they could have figured out a way to take down Mal'ganis that didn't need the Runeblade.
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Morec0
"Yes, I've damned everyone and everything I've ever loved in his name, and I still feel no remorse. No shame. No pity".
And as the voice in his head that was the remains of his better half said; "
Liar
!"
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Adamsm
I don't think that a that was once locked in an object by magic is beyond salvation, Velen once said "Salvation it awaits us all".Yeah, but he wasn't talking about a demon forged Runeblade designed to eat the souls of those it slew; it's something you see in other fantasy genres with similar weapons: Once they consume a soul, it's damned for all intents and purposes; might actually explain both Sylvanas and Deathbringer Saurfang, how they both took a massive 180 from what they were in life. As for the weapon itself... even when you destroy them, you know your setting them free, just ending their torment and suffering as there is no way for them to move on at that point.
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taurenmoo812
Aye, he's suffering the same thing as the souls in Frostmourne now that the blade is damaged; final death, soul death, and no chance for traveling to whatever Heaven is in Azeroth.
Adam you got as much proof that the souls that were trapped in frostmourne ended that way as you have a way to predict what I had for dinner today. I saw it that, as king terenas said in the halls of reflection, that the souls in frostmourne cry out for release.
The sword is shattered, and thus I more then believe the souls trapped in it were released.
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Adamsm
Aye, he's suffering the same thing as the souls in Frostmourne now that the blade is damaged; final death, soul death, and no chance for traveling to whatever Heaven is in Azeroth.
Adam you got as much proof that the souls that were trapped in frostmourne ended that way as you have a way to predict what I had for dinner today. I saw it that, as king terenas said in the halls of reflection, that the souls in frostmourne cry out for release.
The sword is shattered, and thus I more then believe the souls trapped in it were released.
I'm merely going on what I know of weapons like Frostmourne; unless their being used by a horrible writer, they rarely if ever actually get free from the weapon. You have no proof that they are released either so watch what your throwing around..... and for the last Frelling Time; My Name is Adams, not Adam, jesu christo.
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