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mojojojo101
Imo i will always prefer to off-tank if a warrior is availible. I still think that warriors have always been and will always be the best MT's for raids. Tbh i havent experienced much pala tanking as about 90% of palas on my realm are holy.
Warriors like i said will always be the kings of tanking because not only of thier high avoidence and crushing immunity but because of moves like defience/sheild wall/last stand.
Druids (me) have incredibally high armr/health (i have the same as the guilds MT and he has basically finished with kara and i am just starting along with about 7-8k more armr than him). I suppose it is kinda unfair that i can be good tank and with a change of gear have 2.3k ap and 30% chance to crit with 2-3 greens but it is what druids are about, being able to do more than one thing,
Palas on the other hand (which i have alrdy stated i know not to much about) kinda annoy me bcoz as u say they are one of the best or the best healers in the game its kinda unfair that they can be the best tanks aswell (with buff)
Oh well just my 2 cents
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Mandalore
Aside from the fact that the dps/tank spec comes back next patch, why should warriors get just one job? Pallies are now the best healers, the tanking is a throw up between them, druids, and warriors; now they get to dps? Why the hell are they getting all the love from blizz? Converse.
Paladins also get one job, whatever they are specced for.
Same thing with Warriors.
You make it sound like a Prot Paladin can heal like a Holy one while dishing out the DPS of a Ret Paladin.
Paladins are good healers in single target healing, and even that depends on what you are doing (e.g. Restro druids).
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Mandalore
Not to mention their sudden increase of 10% sta.
Yeah go ahead and whine that their talents can give em some extra stamina while they also have to balance out all their other tanking stats, like spell hit, spell dmg, int, on top of stats we Warrior tanks take for granted in our gear.
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Philmckraken
Greetings from Paladinland! I just stopped over here to get some information on leveling my new warrior alt, saw this thread, and decided to throw my 2c in.
-Myth: Paladins are better 5-man tanks.
-Reality: Paladins make it easier for the DPS in 5-mans. Targeted X instead of Skull? No big deal, if they're standing in my consecration and beating themselves to death against my holy shield and ret aura. However, 9/10 healers agree that healing a warrior tank is easier due to better damage mitigation and a greater health pool. (The 10th healer we surveyed turned out to be a Holy paladin wearing priest gear as a disguise).
-Myth: Paladin tanks don't need CC
-Reality: Until you get to heroics. Ask your friend the tankadin what happened the last time they did heroic SV (or even MgT normal) without good CC. If he doesn't visibly wince, he was overgeared. This myth and the one above are the reason most people seem to prefer paladins for tanking; we make it easier for them to screw up without anyone noticing.
-Myth: Paladins can tank/heal at the same time.
-Reality: You're a newb. Paladins are a hybrid class, meaning that while certain abilities are universal across the talent trees (healing, resurrection, etc), we must specialize in one area to excel. Sure, a tank paladin can throw some healing gear on and heal if he has to, but it's by no means a great idea. People tend to think of us as a swiss army knife, but we're more like the stand mixer in your kitchen: Can do many things, but requires partial disassembly and the purchase of expensive attachments.
-Myth: Paladins are the best healers.
Fact: If there's only one character to heal. And the paladin isn't required to run around dodging stuff. And they aren't getting hit and interrupted. Etc.
Myth: Blizzard likes Paladins better.
Reality: Not even close. Don't forget that the man in charge of class balance also happens to be the patron saint of warriors, aka Tom Chilton (google "Kalgan" if you are completely ignorant). It has already been stated, on record, that for end-game in WotLK, warriors will be the best all-around main tanks, death knights will tank casters, and paladins are for "AoE tanking," which is a polite way of saying "trash tank." Even now, gearing a paladin to MT Karazhan requires the use of more warrior plate than Paladin gear. It's not as difficult as gearing up a rogue or a hunter to MT, but not nearly as easy as gearing a prot warrior.
Hopefully, this post has given you some enlightenment on how the other 1/2 lives. We're not the uber-class some people would have you believe; paladins are just as nerfed as any other class (even more, if you believe what you read on the WoW paladin forums).
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Sakkura
Greetings from Paladinland! I just stopped over here to get some information on leveling my new warrior alt, saw this thread, and decided to throw my 2c in.
-Myth: Paladins are better 5-man tanks.
-Reality: Paladins make it easier for the DPS in 5-mans. Targeted X instead of Skull? No big deal, if they're standing in my consecration and beating themselves to death against my holy shield and ret aura. However, 9/10 healers agree that healing a warrior tank is easier due to better damage mitigation and a greater health pool. (The 10th healer we surveyed turned out to be a Holy paladin wearing priest gear as a disguise).
-Myth: Paladin tanks don't need CC
-Reality: Until you get to heroics. Ask your friend the tankadin what happened the last time they did heroic SV (or even MgT normal) without good CC. If he doesn't visibly wince, he was overgeared. This myth and the one above are the reason most people seem to prefer paladins for tanking; we make it easier for them to screw up without anyone noticing.
-Myth: Paladins can tank/heal at the same time.
-Reality: You're a newb. Paladins are a hybrid class, meaning that while certain abilities are universal across the talent trees (healing, resurrection, etc), we must specialize in one area to excel. Sure, a tank paladin can throw some healing gear on and heal if he has to, but it's by no means a great idea. People tend to think of us as a swiss army knife, but we're more like the stand mixer in your kitchen: Can do many things, but requires partial disassembly and the purchase of expensive attachments.
-Myth: Paladins are the best healers.
Fact: If there's only one character to heal. And the paladin isn't required to run around dodging stuff. And they aren't getting hit and interrupted. Etc.
Myth: Blizzard likes Paladins better.
Reality: Not even close. Don't forget that the man in charge of class balance also happens to be the patron saint of warriors, aka Tom Chilton (google "Kalgan" if you are completely ignorant). It has already been stated, on record, that for end-game in WotLK, warriors will be the best all-around main tanks, death knights will tank casters, and paladins are for "AoE tanking," which is a polite way of saying "trash tank." Even now, gearing a paladin to MT Karazhan requires the use of more warrior plate than Paladin gear. It's not as difficult as gearing up a rogue or a hunter to MT, but not nearly as easy as gearing a prot warrior.
Hopefully, this post has given you some enlightenment on how the other 1/2 lives. We're not the uber-class some people would have you believe; paladins are just as nerfed as any other class (even more, if you believe what you read on the WoW paladin forums).
Paladins are better 5-man tanks, because the main task the tank is working on is keeping aggro on a lot of mobs. Paladins are the best at keeping aggro on a lot of mobs, hence they are the best tanks for 5-mans. Simple, really. He will only be dying if he is undergeared, and that could happen to a warrior or druid too.
Paladin tanks can need CC, but to a much lesser extent than warriors or druids. Saying you need them for heroics "unless overgeared" is /shrug, since many will be overgeared anyway. An overgeared warrior will still find it a pain to tank heroic shattered halls. An overgeared paladin will blaze through it with ease. That difference is annoying for the warrior (probably for the druid too).
Paladins obviously can't tank and heal at the same time. Nor are they great healers when there's movement or raid/group healing involved. Just look at MgT Kael'thas, where paladin healers often struggle compared to other healing classes. So you're absolutely correct about that. They are very good at one kind of healing, but not good at other kinds. What that means for a raid is that you want to have a mix of healers, not just 7 holy paladins :P
Blizzard preferring one class over another... Lol. That's just stupid, yet people have been making these accusations since day one. Just ignore them.
For raid tanks, Blizzard seem to have settled on assigning different roles to each class: Warriors MT, druids OT, paladins AoE-tank (which can be trash but can be bossfights too), and deathknights will tank casters. Same deal as for healers taking different roles, no problem there.
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Anarchy
I think this would all be solved if warriors could heal. Yep,
give us heals!
draenei
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Laihendi
* remember last time he entered a dungeon with a 31/30/0 warrior***
Dmg report
Warrior : 44%
Well geared and usually first on dps fire mage : 25%
Another dps: 20%
me(warlock): 14%
Or something like that...... Don't tell me you can only tank....
that sounds like me the other day in heroic sp lol, except now i'm 33/28 for blood frenzy :p
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Knightspectre
Honestly I play a protection paladin, and in addition to two different play experiences (near-dedicated tanking on one, off-tanking and damage on my warrior) I've learned that respect between classes goes a long way. There are things my paladin couldn't dream of doing, and vice versa ..it's purely situational. Do I think they're favored? Not really.. even within the paladin circles there's animosity between wether they were meant to DPS or tank. But when it comes to doing the job and doing it well, my warrior jumps right to the front in terms of preference. Pally is a close second.
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