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No alliance progression in Cataclysm.
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Vaeku
bad-ass type leader Garrosh Hellscream who is acting like a real leader
LOL, what?
Anyhow, everyone's right. They've basically only told us what the Horde are getting, probably to get the people who complain the Blizzard favors Alliance off their backs. ALl we know about the Alliance is that they burned down Camp Taurajo and took the southern half of the Barrens, and that Southshore was lost to the ocean.
For all we know, the Alliance could be taking the Badlands. Or parts of other zones.
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Meggie
Entire Azeroth will be phased. You won't see any alliance unless Blizzard wants you to.
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Adamsm
Er, 3/4 of Horde don't want Garrosh taking over.
Forsaken, some of the Blood Elves, those Orcs who currently follow Garrosh, the Grimtotems, and possibly some of the Trolls who didn't want to give up the old ways heh.
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taurenmoo812
There is a lack of progression for the alliance in cataclysm. You have the horde, gaining the bad-ass type leader Garrosh Hellscream who is acting like a real leader, advancing through numerous alliance zones and taking over half of azeroth, and the alliance doesn't seem to be advancing anywhere into horde territory, just moving into a settlement 'north' of where they were invaded. It seems the leader of the alliance isn't taking the leadership role as serious as Garrosh Hellscream is... am I misinformed? Will there be more alliance progression in cataclysm?
I fail to see how it can be considered a progression to have Garrosh leading the horde, and anyone that thinks horde turning into the dark horde is a good thing fails at understanding there faction now.
Real leader? buy yourself a clue. When Garrosh dies from acting like a complete ahole are you gonna be as quick to dismiss him like you are Thrall?
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Adamsm
I'm not sure that the Forsaken make terribly much sense. If anything, Sylvanas owes Thrall for rallying the Horde to retake the Undercity. She may be underhanded, and bordering on evil, but she's always struck me as more of an anti-hero type. Her main concern is to destroy the Lich King. Afterwards, I could understand some of the Forsaken wanting to push for more territory, but they all pretty much seem completely loyal to their Banshee Queen.Forsaken were added into the Horde by Magtha Grimtotem, not Thrall. Yes, Thrall helped her get her city back.. from the problem she created; but seeing as the Banshee Queen hates the human race, joining with Garrosh would be a better move for her... after all, he wants to kill them too. And of course, she could betray him and kill him at some point as well. The Forsaken for the most part follow their Queen, so if she says 'Follow Garrosh' they follow Garrosh... of course, she's already taking orders from Garrosh, that's why the Forsaken are attacking Gilneas.
Of course, please read what I put there: I said those Trolls and Orcs who dislike the way Thrall runs things would be the ones to join with Garrosh.
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Forsaken were added into the Horde by Magtha Grimtotem, not Thrall. Yes, Thrall helped her get her city back.. from the problem she created; but seeing as the Banshee Queen hates the human race, joining with Garrosh would be a better move for her... after all, he wants to kill them too. And of course, she could betray him and kill him at some point as well. The Forsaken for the most part follow their Queen, so if she says 'Follow Garrosh' they follow Garrosh... of course, she's already taking orders from Garrosh, that's why the Forsaken are attacking Gilneas.
I know they weren't added in by Thrall. My point is that without Thrall, the Forsaken would be toast. Their city lost, their numbers smaller and likely in an even worse position than they are now when it comes to being closely watched and/or hated. While I doubt Sylvanas has much in the way of honor, I don't think she'd be quite so likely as to backstab Thrall now. Which in turn means the Forsaken would be less likely as well. If I remember correctly, we only know the Forsaken are attacking Gilneas. We don't know at whose order or why. It may be too early to assume Sylvanas has become a lackey for Garrosh.
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In interview with Chris Metzen, Metzen revealed that Sylvanas was ordered to move south into Gilneas because the Horde wanted a port in northern Lordaeron. Metzen mentioned that Sylvanas was "in the dog house" with the Horde after the Wrathgate events and has to move when the leadership of the Horde orders her to do so. As Garrosh is the Warchief when Cata starts...
Sylvanas doesn't care about 'honour' or anything like that... everything that exists on Azeroth exists for the simple reason of how she can use it: The Banshee queen doesn't care about Thrall or the Horde beyond what they can do for her and the Forsaken... who she doesn't really care about either; they are just more pawns for her to use.
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chase123
the way i see it. all the progression in the different territories was to fill a need.
horde gets Azshara so the goblins have a way into ORG
alliance gets half of The Barrens to kill barrens chat
horde gets more of Ashenvale to cut down the number of Nelf noobs
it all makes sense.
Kill? I think you mean make worse.
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taurenmoo812
So, 3/4 of the Horde don't want Garrosh to take over even in-game.
I'm not sure that the Forsaken make terribly much sense. If anything, Sylvanas owes Thrall for rallying the Horde to retake the Undercity. She may be underhanded, and bordering on evil, but she's always struck me as more of an anti-hero type. Her main concern is to destroy the Lich King. Afterwards, I could understand some of the Forsaken wanting to push for more territory, but they all pretty much seem completely loyal to their Banshee Queen.
The Sin'dorei make more sense, as they have grievances against the Alliance. To be blunt, it'd make more sense for the elves to begin the push for conquest than the orcs, and I would fully back them (my main being a belf).
The Grimtotems are a minor clan, from what I remember, and while Magatha holds some power, I don't think she has enough to challenge Cairne or his son. Not openly.
The trolls seem to be in the same situation as Sylvanas: Thrall saved them. Backing Garrosh would be spitting on everything Thrall has done for them.
Garrosh as leader =/= progression in any form. Returning to the Old Horde is a major step backward for Horde players, and a slap in the face.
Thank god someone gets it here. Good post TagraNar
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jefflovealex
i honestly don't care. aslong as the undead get something out of it then its all good for me. but to be fair the whole alliance don't get any progression is cods whollop because they get stormwind remodelled in a manner thats pleasin to me,
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taurenmoo812
"There is a lack of progression for the Allies in WW2. You have the Axis, gaining the bad-ass type leader Adolf H. who is acting like a real leader, advancing through numerous Allied zones and taking over half of the world, and the allies don't seem to be advancing anywhere into Axis territory, just moving into a settlement 'north' of where they were invaded. It seems the leader of the Allies isn't taking the leadership role as serious as Adolf H. is... am I misinformed? Will there be more alliance progression in WW2?"
Godwins law has been invoked.
Well Anyway, Cataclysm is turning azeroth into a warzone, with all the new phasing technology these days, who knows, we might see the alliance gaining some more territory again. Wars are almost never static, or only for a certain period (WW1). I would dig trench warfare in WoW though. :)
An alliance fan refering to the horde as nazi's. Thats funny, since its the allies who put up the concentration camps.
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