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Post by
OscarDivine
Again, I've played for 5 years, always with end-game guilds and many times have HoTs been referred to as "mitigation" in those guilds. This is referring to the health deficit, not the damage taken. Rough to wrap your head around that one, I know. I've seen dozens of people do it in top 50 US guilds, but it's a real stickler on these forums.
By this definition, flash heal is far better "mitigation" than is Renew because overheals do nothing from Renew, while overheals from Flash Heal does. Considering most end-game Disco priests have lots of haste too, (in my case) cast time is down to almost near GCD, which makes Flash Heal a far better choice than Renew, especially because of the lag that it creates before the first tick is applied.
BTW, that is a horrible definition of mitigation, and completely wrong. This word has been defined at least TWICE above from different sources, neither of which jives with what your understanding of it is.
edit: looks like your raid leaders have a pretty poor understanding of the word definition as well, and while they might SAY one thing, they mean another. HoTs are different than Mitigation. Why are we even still arguing this point?
Post by
Paolo
Because someone joined the party late and has a bone to pick.
Post by
SlowSide
Again, I've played for 5 years
Join the club.
always with end-game guilds and many times have HoTs been referred to as "mitigation" in those guilds. This is referring to the health deficit, not the damage taken.
That would make ALL heals "mitigation", I have never heard anyone call a straight heal mitigation. And as Panik8 pointed out, the generally accepted term refers to damage prevention, not health restoration.
Rough to wrap your head around that one, I know. I've seen dozens of people do it in top 50 US guilds, but it's a real stickler on these forums.
I won't claim to know anyone in a top 50 guild, as I have no idea what those guilds are & they change weekly I'm sure. But I do know some of the best on my server, and have not heard them refer to healing as mitigation, though I've never asked if they thought renew was mitigation. In your context though it would make Druids the best at "mitigation" since they are the masters of HoTs.
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OscarDivine
Because someone joined the party late and has a bone to pick.
I feel like we have a MiniVolt revolt!
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dhampir1989
I'm fine with referring to HoTs as HoTs going forward because people have difficulty understanding that HoTs mitigate a target's health deficit. Because at no point does it reduce the health deficit, it fills it. There is a difference.
Putting money into my bank account whilst in my overdraft does not "mitigate my money deficit".
Rich people can buy a Porsche, but it'd still be a waste, wouldn't it? I took the liberty of fixing your analogy.
Explain to me how tossing out a spell that is beneficial to the target and having full mana in the next instant is a waste. Without taking into account the benefits offered through Power Word: Shield (aside from the mana return), by that determination...despite that you receive mana back from casting it, it's a waste of mana to cast it in the first place.
Cost/Benefit.
It can have a positive effect and still be a waste when compared to the optimum.
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Post by
Paolo
Finally, I don't have any bones to pick. I've actually avoided these forums simply because of the attitudes and misinformation I've seen conveyed in them previously. The nice thing about other forums is that they're actually moderated for content. Here, I see a lot of flaming and attempts at intimidation, rather than candid and valuable discussion.I'm sure you will have something solid to add. Why you chose this particular flamefest to decide to join is a mystery. Not a great way to start.
And moderation does not correctness make. The good thing about EJ (for example) is that it does weed out the worst of the worst. Unfortunately, you'll find nutty advice everywhere you go. We all try to redirect when we see it.
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SlowSide
I'm fine with referring to HoTs as HoTs going forward because people have difficulty understanding that HoTs mitigate a target's health deficit. If that statement was originally made, I'd probably not have tried to clarify at all. It's apparently hard to understand and since every individual poster's terminology is the "correct" terminology, there's no point in trying to demonstrate how a term can be applicable in another way. .
We all understand perfectly fine that HoT restore health over time, and to you that is "mitigation". But your version of mitigation is different from the majority (Wowwiki, Webster, Dictionary.com, Wowhead, EJ) It is not just us being jerks to you, and even by your definition it is a stretch to apply that term to renew specifically over any other heal.
Explain to me how tossing out a spell that is beneficial to the target and having full mana in the next instant is a waste. Without taking into account the benefits offered through Power Word: Shield (aside from the mana return), by that determination...despite that you receive mana back from casting it, it's a waste of mana to cast it in the first place.
Because renew, or any other spell, might not be beneficial to the target, and you might not always have full mana the next second. Not sure exactly what you mean on the second part, if you are implying that casting PW:S in place of renew is an equal waste you are very wrong. PW:S itself lasts for 30 seconds, giving it an extra 15 seconds of coverage, it also temporarily increases the EH of the the target so they can survive a much larger hit than renew would allow over the same time perod. PW:S will also proc BT giving a large haste boost to the caster, that alon can be worth the mana. That is ignoring the mana that might be returned from it popping as you pointed out.
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Post by
OscarDivine
Again, namecalling? Really?
Hey, you chose the name, I liked the pun (even before there was any animosity between us) and I decided to play around with it, no offense meant and if all you'd rather see is "name-calling" instead of all the other, more pertinent, content I've wrote up in this thread, then, you are a very selective reader, and again, I'd rather avoid discussing with you in the future. I don't even know why I'm posting this, to be honest. I'm out for lunch, so see you all later, and again, no offense cupid, I think we're very much alike in many ways... :P
WTB Lock. This is getting retarded guys. Stop bickering over nothing now.
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