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The Horde needs Thrall, and this is why..
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taurenmoo812
As for Orgrimmar. If orgrimmar is shattered by cataclysm and needed rebuilding, then that would have happened anyway. But fact still remains the different between Thralls horde and Garrosh's horde lays in what you see of the structures related to them. (hellfire citadel has the same design as warsong hold and agmars hammer).
Its not what the city is rebuilt with, but how its rebuilt.Except it's built with the same style as the buildings used by Thrall in the Third War... just Black instead of Gray.....
I don't see giant overbearing statues of orc warriors bearing down on people in orgrimmar. And the tones and shape of buildings that came later were part of what Thrall instructed, well those earlier buildings came from other orcs design.
It can be ignored, the design you see in warsong hold matches the design found in hellfire citadel.
Post by
Monday
As for Orgrimmar. If orgrimmar is shattered by cataclysm and needed rebuilding, then that would have happened anyway. But fact still remains the different between Thralls horde and Garrosh's horde lays in what you see of the structures related to them. (hellfire citadel has the same design as warsong hold and agmars hammer).
Its not what the city is rebuilt with, but how its rebuilt.Except it's built with the same style as the buildings used by Thrall in the Third War... just Black instead of Gray.....
I don't see giant overbearing statues of orc warriors bearing down on people in orgrimmar. And the tones and shape of buildings that came later were part of what Thrall instructed, well those earlier buildings came from other orcs design.
It can be ignored, the design you see in warsong hold matches the design found in hellfire citadel.
Eh... imo Architecture doesn't really show how a race or culture's mindset is. It just shows that they adapt to the circumstances.
Warsong Hold was reinforced to make sure it held up against the Scourge, and Orgrimmar will probably be reinforced to hold against the forces of the Alliance/Deathwing and others.
Post by
Adamsm
As for Orgrimmar. If orgrimmar is shattered by cataclysm and needed rebuilding, then that would have happened anyway. But fact still remains the different between Thralls horde and Garrosh's horde lays in what you see of the structures related to them. (hellfire citadel has the same design as warsong hold and agmars hammer).
Its not what the city is rebuilt with, but how its rebuilt.Except it's built with the same style as the buildings used by Thrall in the Third War... just Black instead of Gray.....
I don't see giant overbearing statues of orc warriors bearing down on people in orgrimmar. And the tones and shape of buildings that came later were part of what Thrall instructed, well those earlier buildings came from other orcs design.
It can be ignored, the design you see in warsong hold matches the design found in hellfire citadel.
Right.. because Orgrimmar was built to be a sign of the new lifestyle of the Horde... which is partially shattered in Cata... how do we know that it's Garrosh who creates the new armour? It could have been an order from Thrall before he disappeared; he realized that if the Alliance is going to keep pushing, it might be better for the city to become defensible....
Post by
Skreeran
As I have said before:
With the Alliance out there waging war with the Horde, I'd much rather know that my family is in New Org than the Old One. I'm sure many orcs agree.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Another point here, which I put on another thread, was the presence of Garrosh as warchief.
I've decided, if blizzard were to do some bull-end story of Garrosh turning right around and becoming all noble and basicly Thrall-2, or the son Thrall never had, and thus killing the real Thrall off in some self sacrifice manner, I would just tell blizzard where they can stick there game and lore, delete my account, and quit.
Still I've said this before. I am not someone who appreciates writers turning my heroes into a martyr, because regardless of the way its written, I've then got no reason to carry on reading, sort of dead inside feeling.
Post by
Monday
Mmm... if they redeem him I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think they'll do that. We have all seen his personality and character, and changing him like that would imply bad writing and lore.
And while they aren't hesitant to retconn some places, they'll probably hesitate with one of the most loved characters in the game.
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taurenmoo812
Mmm... if they redeem him I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think they'll do that. We have all seen his personality and character, and changing him like that would imply bad writing and lore.
And while they aren't hesitant to retconn some places, they'll probably hesitate with one of the most loved characters in the game.
That had me thinking well I was flying through ashenvale forest.
In cata, this place will be destroyed by the horde. A forest thousends of years old, and how it was there in beta, BC and wotlk, now, in no time at all of Garrosh taking control, the forest is stripped.
I'm not alliance obviously, and well it does feel like a blow to the night elves in them losing the forest, it just seems like going to far, that it makes the horde seem no better then they once were. Its something Thrall would never have agreed to completely destroying ashenvale, so its obvious he wouldn't have been able to stop it.
They didn't just take the land, the warsong destroyed something thats been there for thousends of years. How could something like that ever hope finding peace between both sides now.
Same thing applys to the alliance taking a part of barrens, being sacred to the tauren.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Another point here, which I put on another thread, was the presence of Garrosh as warchief.
I've decided, if blizzard were to do some bull-end story of Garrosh turning right around and becoming all noble and basicly Thrall-2, or the son Thrall never had, and thus killing the real Thrall off in some self sacrifice manner, I would just tell blizzard where they can stick there game and lore, delete my account, and quit.
Still I've said this before. I am not someone who appreciates writers turning my heroes into a martyr, because regardless of the way its written, I've then got no reason to carry on reading, sort of dead inside feeling.
Lemme get what you're saying :
No matter what Blizzard does, you're going to be @#$%ed.
Nice way to overgeneralize something. The changes people don't like happening ingame makes for longer threads then the things they do like.
That basicly covers everything...
Hey its Darkton, the short sentenced troller who can't make his own posts so leeches onto other peoples.
Post by
Adamsm
Another point here, which I put on another thread, was the presence of Garrosh as warchief.
I've decided, if blizzard were to do some bull-end story of Garrosh turning right around and becoming all noble and basicly Thrall-2, or the son Thrall never had, and thus killing the real Thrall off in some self sacrifice manner, I would just tell blizzard where they can stick there game and lore, delete my account, and quit.
Still I've said this before. I am not someone who appreciates writers turning my heroes into a martyr, because regardless of the way its written, I've then got no reason to carry on reading, sort of dead inside feeling.
Lemme get what you're saying :
No matter what Blizzard does, you're going to be @#$%ed.
Nice way to overgeneralize something. The changes people don't like happening ingame makes for longer threads then the things they do like.
Tauren, Sigma does make a point you know....
Post by
Skreeran
Hey its Darkton, the short sentenced troller who can't make his own posts so leeches onto other peoples.Don't start this again...
As for the forest, I don't get what non-elves are getting so worked up about. Garrosh isn't cutting down the entire forest. The Horde is harvesting lumber to build homes and house refugees and cook food and all things that the Horde needs. That wood has to come from somewhere.
Since the Cataclysm, the world is starved of resources. People are freezing to death. People are starving to death. People are injured and need shelter. Not just Horde or Alliance, but everyone.
On top of that, we're at war. Garrosh didn't start the war, but we're at war. Neither side can afford to squander any advantage that they can take. Whether it's Garrosh, Doomhammer, Thrall, or Saurfang, they aren't going to look at the forest and say "Man, what an awesome forest the elves have. Good for them..."
No, they are going to be thinking about their people who are dying for lack of resources. Hopefully, at least. If it's a choice between harvesting lumber and having their people die, they have to make the choice that is best for their people.
And, like I said, Garrosh hasn't razed the whole forest.
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Post by
Monday
As for the forest, I don't get what non-elves are getting so worked up about. Garrosh isn't cutting down the entire forest. The Horde is harvesting lumber to build homes and house refugees and cook food and all things that the Horde needs. That wood has to come from somewhere
In the case of vice versa, you stated that they would be taking a much needed resource if they got the wood from other neiboring allys.
The forest is the night elf's home for thousands of years, many of them fought and died to protect it. Its important to them.
From thier eyes, these are the same people who invaded thier home and killed thier god.
Not exactly someone you want to make a sacrifice for.
Barrens is becoming a rainforest in Cata. Let Garrosh go get his wood there.
Since the Cataclysm, the world is starved of resources. People are freezing to death. People are starving to death. People are injured and need shelter. Not just Horde or Alliance, but everyone.
I think this is over-exagerating the situation somewhat.
Yes, they are all trying to survive, as the climate said, but its not like the sun has been blocked and all civiizations have lost thier land from destruction.
#1. And risk offending the druids that created it?
#2. The Horde and Alliance are squabbling over desperately needed resources, as stated in the video. That makes it sound pretty harsh.
Post by
Adamsm
Since the Cataclysm, the world is starved of resources. People are freezing to death. People are starving to death. People are injured and need shelter. Not just Horde or Alliance, but everyone.
I think this is over-exagerating the situation somewhat.
Yes, they are all trying to survive, as the climate said, but its not like the sun has been blocked and all civiizations have lost thier land from destruction.
Might want to rewatch the trailer Darkton.
Post by
HiVolt
Alright, to add a little clarity to this argument, let's try a hypothetical situation.
Say the war gets kicked off by the Night Elves and Theramore rushing troops into the Barrens, completely capturing it.
The Barrens is the ancestral homeland of the Tauren, and to a lesser extent, an adopted homeland to the Orcs. How does that make it any less of a target?
The answer is: it doesn't. The strategic move of severing the communication and supply lines between Orgrimmar and Thunder Bluff would win the Alliance the war in Kalimdor.
This is war we're talking about. It's not more tenuous peace. It's not a cold war. It's "%^&* already hit the fan" war.
If Thrall were in the same place as Garrosh in the upcoming expansion, he wouldn't just sit and wait while the Alliance took all of his territory. He'd grab the Doomhammer, and say "Looks like we've got a couple of trees to cut down, so that we don't get completely wiped out."
Ashenvale, regardless of the lumber, regardless of it's status as being a "sacred" forest, is an extremely advantageous location in strategy.
If the Alliance owns the zone, they take the Barrens and win Kalimdor. If the Horde owns it, they don't lose the war in Kalimdor for at least a little while longer.
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Post by
Adamsm
Suitable Thrall Candidates
Rexxar
Rexxar wouldn't come back to Azeroth unless there was a real pressing need... and Thrall just disappearing probably wouldn't be it.
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