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Post by
curlymon
You can take some genius's idea of the "ultimate raid" from a thread I ran across earlier and apply it to 25 man Val, 1 tank, 24 shadow priests lol.
That would be most unfortunate on phase 3 Anub :P
Post by
thekeeper
guild is still trying to find some more main core raiders for 25
so i went ahead and bought the sack of wonders on AH for 9.5K pretty nice deal imo
now i just need to find a way to get that money back :P
oh hashmel bad luck on the back problem hope you feel better soon mate
Post by
hashmel
ty TK, grats on snagging a sack of wonders off the AH, such a good chest piece. Here's hoping everyone gets a lucky streak of feral drops this week.
Post by
Thror
We got an Unidentifiable Organ again yesterday. Pretty good drops from Putricide so far. I am 5 emblems far from buying the 264 belt, then i am gonna have all the frost emblem items except the T10... i still have to down Toravon this week... id love if some feral piece of T10 dropped.
But yesterday was a pretty bad raiding day :-/ We one-shotted everything up to Rotface, killed Putricide on the second try (on the first try he had 14k hp when the offtank died... paladins suck at cooldowns once they are out of ardent defender)... we then two-shotted Blood Princes... tried some new tactics with only a single tank on both the melee princes, and another tank on Keleseth (we use a DK to tank him)... we, once again, got the achievement for not getting over 23k damage in that fight. We never intended to do it, we just avoid the spells the way they should be avoided. I almost had tears in my eyes when i saw how nicely my raid spreads with Empowered Vortexes. If only people played this well on Lana'thel too. The fight is bloody easy, but the third bite phase is timed exactly with her air phase, and thats when things usually *!@# up for us. We wiped three times, getting her down to 1m hp once :(
We didnt attempt Valithria yet, raid members wanted to farm the wings we know first... but our guilds Raid 1 tried, and failed. :B I am looking forward to todays 25m ICC. I would really really like to get the tanking ring from Valithria
Grats on the Sack, thekeeper.
Post by
hashmel
Sounds like things are going pretty smoothly for you guys.
I got my account back up and running last night, still can't do a whole lot between lack of vent and sharing the comp but it's nice to be back on the furry menace, especially in time to terrorize moonglade. XD
Think I'll give feral a little R&R while I get the balance offspec to a respectable level...that could take a while lol.
Careful you don't receive the Ensidia treatment from Blizz.
I regularly keep and tweak a bear profile and whatever else I'm in the mood for out of amusement, they can be found in the link in my sig.
Post by
thekeeper
good that you got your account back up and running but got a favor to ask when you unleash that menace in moonglade for the love of god tape it/fraps it whatever and post on youtube that should be epic XD
and things arent really going good
havent entered ICC 25 yet due to lack of people hence the reason we recruiting
but our 10 man is going bad aswell last run i did was up untill festergut and he owned us >.<
got him down after 3 attempts with 4 people alive left and literally seconds away from enrage
still need to do my VoA 25 aswell but have had bad luck on the wintergrasp timing everytime i logged on horde was owning it or just got it >.<
funny part is with that sack and my lightborne spire im expertise parry capped and massive overhitcapped 10% ish atm still working out on stuff that i can replace for now
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Post by
hashmel
hehe well I don't have fraps seeing as this isn't my own comp but Thror may be able to record it, his guildy with the quest can summon Eranikus while he runs over to start the Omen event and kite Omen into Nighthaven to overlap the amusement.
Thror, be sure if your guildy decides he wants to beat Eranikus some that he spins him around so his breath will hit bystanders. Also, if he abandons it once the fun has been had he can come back to do it again until he decides to actually turn it in.
We need more engineers.
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Post by
Thror
Just managed to tank two Blood Princes at once in ICC 25. The melee ones, Taldaram and Valanar. They hit pretty hard, but with good usage of cooldowns, its pretty doable. The most "problematic" parts to survive were... right after pull, and when one of the melee princes received the orb after Keleseth (healers not switching their focus fast enough). But the rest of the fight was easy.
Post by
thekeeper
sigh i fear my days as guild main tank are coming to an end soon
so far we got 2 tanks me and our prot warrior recently one of the dps rerolled prot pally so that makes 3
and here comes the problem our prot pally lot crappier geared then me has mobs stick to him like glue, those trash pulls in ICC(and not only ICC) those thedamned mobs if its 6+ mobs i usually end up with 2 of them and he has 4 of them i know this is the way prot pally is designed but it feels like im not pulling my weight >.< ( sure its just trash but the problem is we have 1 tank to many who really wants to raid and lacking a healer and we cant just drop the prot warrior either)
we recently had a few healers drop out of the guild and so are lacking a 3rd healer on regular base so chances are i will be taking a tank break even tho its what i like the most hmm im sure i could fine a solid solution for it (rather not guild quit have a few RL mates in there who i doubt will follow me ^-^' not to mention its a relative small guild focused on 10 mans)
Post by
Thror
Gosh, dude. Thats pretty unfortunate :<
Anyway, picking tanks based on trash aggro is really not a good way to estimate who is better. The only important thing is if the tanks can keep the adds off the other members of the raid. Paladins have better snap aggro. They can generate very strong threat with their opener (taunt), then avenger shield gives three mobs quite a reason to charge the pally, then Hammer of the Righteous glues them to the pally... oh and as they come to him, they run right into consecration, and if they hit him, they get damage from holy shield.
If you are a bear, have 0 rage and Enrage on cooldown with no critters to kill around, you can just watch until they come into melee range, attract the attention of one add with FFF maybe (shield throw will pull him off you tho), hit something or get hit by something, and THEN swipe as hell. With maul glyphed, its fairly easy to tear two mobs off the pally instantly.
Post by
thekeeper
yeah well main problem is both other tanks want to raid as protection i as feral tanker but the only spot uncertain atm is resto drood slots so im not sure yet bear tanking will always be my one and true thing i love to do though
dont get me wrong its just the prot pally goes way back with some of the original members and im pretty sure i will be the one that will have to bend to the way of the group
and yes trash is stupid to make assumptions on but i truely hate the fact that pally is such a massive threat giver on trash packs >.< i feel like swipe+glyphed maul usually only gets me 2 on me and rest on pally even when tabbing trough
still i love bear tanking but i do not mind going resto hell i got 2 decent offsets one for kitty and soon one for resto that way i can spot fill with just a respec :P
Post by
Thror
Well, bears can out-threat pallies on AoE in a couple occasions. The best way would be either getting 1-2 extra GCDs on the trash before the pally arrives (since i am my guilds main tank, i usually have that advantage ), or the pally messing something in his rotation. Like using holy shield when no monsters attack him, thats a wasted GCD right there. Tabbing targets to spread Maul damage more also helps
Also Enrage+Tricks of the Trade+Swipe spam = prot pally with no aggro. Well, sometimes.
Post by
hashmel
Paladins have several advantages over us for trash.
Their attacks ignore armor and have no resistance.
They have a naturally higher threat modifier on damage than us.
They have holy shield for reflective damage on top of potentially having thorns.
Consecration has no aoe cap unlike swipe, shockwave, thunderclap, etc.
They have a shield which greatly outperforms Savage Defense on 1 vs many tanking.
-to name a few.
Your best bet is to take advantage of charge to get initial aggro and if using a kotj build you can pop enrage while you have initial aggro for a very generous dps boost that will translate wonderfully into giving you a bigger lead on threat. As gear improves you'll inadvertently get more passive ArP as well.
I'm anything but a fan of prot paladins as they're still quite unbalanced but we still give them a hell of a run for their money.
Post by
thekeeper
well im getting a decent resto offset anyways so im flexible on that point and yes he destroys me on trash but he doesnt have ^&*! on me for bosses :P
on marrowgar i was easily 20-25% ahead of him on threat
its just the way pally is designed but i still find them a bit overpowered atm
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Post by
hashmel
Thror, I hope you and your guildmate are having as much fun as myself.
Started up Eranikus and his Phantasms while a pal tried pulling Omen into Nighthaven (leashed T_T) then we dropped aggro so we could watch the fun.
Omen and Phantasms started killing people.
Then people started killing Phantasms.
With some flagged people around, people started killing people while Phantasms killed people killing Phantasms.
Soon Eranikus landed and Eranikus, and Phantasms were killing people who were killing people who were killing Phantasms.
Eventually it was Eranikus killing people killing more people killing Eranikus.
And finally it was down to just people killing people while more people were all /1 "WTH"
It's no Corrupted Blood epidemic but with pvp it's still some infectious combat.
To think I have 3 weeks of this.
Post by
Thror
Hahah, sounds awesome :D
Well, i havent played much since the event started :< Been with my gf... i only got to play yesterday, and that was just for ICC 25 and some VoA lottery, i fell asleep instantly afterwards. But my guildy already told me about the giant massacre, lol. I play on a PvP server where alliance-horde rivalry is extremely tight... someone accidentaly hits someone, and in seconds you have a full battle going on everywhere.
New VoA boss sucks. Can not be solo tanked. I died at 22 stacks when the OT died accidentally. I got quite sad when i found out that the T10,5 feral legs dropped yesterday in one of the runs my guildies were in. :( VoA is my best way to get sanctified pieces...
So we did ICC 25 yesterday, but the raid was bad... only like 18 core raiders, the rest were socials and newbies. We still managed to down Princes though... but we failed on the Blood Queen. Its a fairly simple fight though, from my PoW. Main tanking her is bloody easy, another Jaraxxus type fight... get aggro and AFK. Of course not literally, but it requires so little tank attention...
Valithria was fun to tank. But a little frustrating. :)
Post by
hashmel
I need to find time to farm voa for gloves and legs myself. Thought about whipping out some oldschool polar gear to counter the problem of the second tank potentially dying? It's goofy but it can sure buy you some time.
Happy Valentines the your gf and Aadra I know you're lurking in the shadows somewhere, Happy Valentines to you too love.
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