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I suppose its only natural for people to think they are Batman
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Adamsm
He could, that's my point. People don't realize that Batman (if he was real) has to train physically and practice techniques frequently to kick as much ass as he does. NO ONE can become a real solid fighter by just fighting a lot - sure, you'll get a bit of practice and work your muscles a little, but you need to hit your muscles hard and actually practice techniques well to kick ass.
I mean, I don't consider myself a bad ass at all - I've gotten my ass whooped by much stronger and more skilled guys before, and I've got much more muscle than I used to have before I worked out hard, so that's why I can say you're at a pretty big disadvantage if you don't hit the gym hard.
What about those tiny monks who weight a 100 pounds, yet routinely win tourneys against the larger/stronger opponents? Muscle does not equal win; merely you 'hit harder' and if the person your fighting at is good at dodging, they can just wear you out; muscle bound types run out of speeder quicker then non-muscle types after all.
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TheMediator
He could, that's my point. People don't realize that Batman (if he was real) has to train physically and practice techniques frequently to kick as much ass as he does. NO ONE can become a real solid fighter by just fighting a lot - sure, you'll get a bit of practice and work your muscles a little, but you need to hit your muscles hard and actually practice techniques well to kick ass.
I mean, I don't consider myself a bad ass at all - I've gotten my ass whooped by much stronger and more skilled guys before, and I've got much more muscle than I used to have before I worked out hard, so that's why I can say you're at a pretty big disadvantage if you don't hit the gym hard.
What about those tiny monks who weight a 100 pounds, yet routinely win tourneys against the larger/stronger opponents? Muscle does not equal win; merely you 'hit harder' and if the person your fighting at is good at dodging, they can just wear you out; muscle bound types run out of speeder quicker then non-muscle types after all.
Bruce Lee was considered pound for pound one of the strongest people in the world. You know how he got that strong? He worked very, very hard. Muscle is a HUGE deal. Yes, technique does factor in but if you really think some 100 pound person could defeat someone like Bruce Lee, even if he was a more skilled martial artists (which I'm sure there might have been), you're dead wrong. Muscle doesn't slow you down, if anything, it makes you faster, because it gives you more explosive power.
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Adamsm
Bruce Lee was considered pound for pound one of the strongest people in the world. You know how he got that strong? He worked very, very hard. Muscle is a HUGE deal. Yes, technique does factor in but if you really think some 100 pound person could defeat someone like Bruce Lee, even if he was a more skilled martial artists (which I'm sure there might have been), you're dead wrong. Muscle doesn't slow you down, if anything, it makes you faster, because it gives you more explosive power.
How much did Bruce Lee Weigh
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His bodyweight grew from 130 pounds to just over 165 pounds because of his weight training. He wasn't pleased with the added mass. He changed his training regime and lost the weight again. He changed it aiming for function. and when when he died he weighed from 135 lbs to 145lbs but normally weighed a little over 165lbs during the time of his weight training which lasted from 1965 to 1970 and stopped because he almost paralyzed himself in the lower back from doing Good Mornings.
He wasn't ripped; Lee was a slim and trim figure. If you think Muscle doesn't slow you down, watch any real wrestling match; the Bigger fighters are the slower ones. Yes they have more strength to a hit, but they don't gain 'speed', they gain stamina. You can sit on a weight bench and pump a couple hundred pounds for hours at a time... but that's not going to make you faster; if you don't get out and run, actually work on your muscles in the legs. Stamina is a major part of any fight; if you can out last your opponent your golden.
Edit: Also, themediator... you should look up facts about Lee's sensei, they'll 'blow' your mind heh.
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TheMediator
It just depends how efficient the muscle you build is. Bruce Lee for his size was very muscular. I guess the reason he slimmed down after gaining too much weight is that the muscle he built wasn't as efficient as the muscle he had previously built, relative to how much weight he gained. Bruce Lee was probably a lot faster than most people that were lighter than him though, because his muscles had more explosive power.
The reason why big guys often are a lot slower is that likely:
A) they don't have as efficient muscles as someone who has a more athletic build
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B) they probably have a higher percentage body fat than someone who has a more athletic build (often because big guys will overdo it when they bulk up).
Still, that doesn't mean that you don't gain speed from gaining muscle, otherwise sprinters wouldn't care to work their legs so hard - they would only try and weigh as little as possible like a jockey (marathon runners want to work their legs too, but it seems we already agree that muscles increase stamina).
Just want to make a last point - I'm not saying that you can muscle your way through any fights, but having more muscle is a definite advantage, and your opponent would have to have a huge edge in technique if you had significantly more muscular strength and endurance.
Post by
Adamsm
Still, that doesn't mean that you don't gain speed from gaining muscle,
otherwise sprinters wouldn't care to work their legs so hard
- they would only try and weigh as little as possible like a jockey (marathon runners want to work their legs too, but it seems we already agree that muscles increase stamina) .Look at what I bolded there; so how does lifting weights on a weight bench help your leg muscles if all your doing is arms and chest?
B) they probably have a higher percentage body fat than someone who has a more athletic build (often because big guys will overdo it when they bulk up).That's not a bad thing; I dare you to punch one of those 'bulked up' types; you'll probably ruin your hand doing so. I hate to bring this up, but meh; look at Andre the Giant and the Big Show; yes there huge and fat... but that helped them in what they were doing. I mean really, think of a person the size of Andre the Giant hitting you; it doesn't matter if that's all fat or not, when a fist the size of a canned ham hits you in the face, your going down. And trying to hurt someone who is roughly all fat is really hard; that fat is like padding; unless you get in a lucky shot, they can literally just steam roll over you.
Just want to make a last point - I'm not saying that you can muscle your way through any fights, but having more muscle is a definite advantage, and your opponent would have to have a huge edge in technique if you had significantly more muscular strength and endurance.You don't need more muscle strength; Endurance and speed are too of the most important parts of any fight; if you can outlast them, you have a better chance of winning.
Post by
Zoltas
Your speed will only increase if the training you do is geared towards building muscular speed.
If you were looking to increase your strength, then you would have to do certain weights, certain reps and sets.
E.G Muscular strength workout-15kilo dumbells, 8-12 reps, 2-4 sets, if 15 kilos was about your 15RM.
Whereas if you wanted to increase the speed of your muscles then it would be say 8 kilos, 20-25 reps, 2 sets. There is a large difference between the outcomes of the two.
Post by
Zoltas
Adamsm, it basically comes down to, who would win in a fight? David Haye(Heavyweight) or Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather.(Welterweight) Who wins, the smaller, more agile, and more stamina fighter. Or the bigger heavier, harder hitting fighter?. I suppose it comes down to really who exactly is fighting and what extra skills they have.
Post by
TheMediator
Your speed will only increase if the training you do is geared towards building muscular speed.
If you were looking to increase your strength, then you would have to do certain weights, certain reps and sets.
E.G Muscular strength workout-15kilo dumbells, 8-12 reps, 2-4 sets, if 15 kilos was about your 15RM.
Whereas if you wanted to increase the speed of your muscles then it would be say 8 kilos, 20-25 reps, 2 sets. There is a large difference between the outcomes of the two.
Which is why you mix up the weight and reps each day (and possibly sets if you're trying to increase endurance). That's pretty much standard.
Anyways, my point about the legs increasing a person's speed, I mean if a muscle is stronger, it can contract faster and with more power which allows you to move that limb more quickly. They wouldn't work their legs if it didn't make them faster... your arm muscles work in the same way. Also, Adamsm, if you think there isn't leg strengthening equipment in gyms, you're silly. Squats, dead lifts, leg extensions, leg curls, etc.
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Adamsm
Also, Adamsm, if you think there isn't leg strengthening equipment in gyms, you're silly. Squats, dead lifts, leg extensions, leg curls, etc.Aye.. but jogging and running works just as well as those. However, the way you've been talking has been about increasing strength, and that usually means the arms not the legs.
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mudfish
I'm Batman.
~desu
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Post by
TheMediator
Aye.. but jogging and running works just as well as those. However, the way you've been talking has been about increasing strength, and that usually means the arms not the legs.
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Jogging and running are cardio. You might incidentally gain muscular endurance in your legs after prolonged periods of running, but for the most part if you want to gain strength and endurance in your legs, you do leg workouts.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye.. but jogging and running works just as well as those. However, the way you've been talking has been about increasing strength, and that usually means the arms not the legs.
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Jogging and running are cardio. You might incidentally gain muscular endurance in your legs after prolonged periods of running, but for the most part if you want to gain strength and endurance in your legs, you do leg workouts.
You don't run do you? Simple question but meh; I've never used a weight machine built for the legs, just done lots of the walking/jogging/running, and I have fit legs for my size.
Post by
TheMediator
I run on offdays (also ab workouts are on offdays). I run for cardio though. You get a lot more gains out of actual leg workouts than you do just running.
Post by
Adamsm
I run on offdays (also ab workouts are on offdays). I run for cardio though. You get a lot more gains out of actual leg workouts than you do just running.
But I don't want to.... as it stands now, I'm at the right size/weight for myself, I'm bulky looking enough no one picks fights with me, and if needed well, I can back up said fight.
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Post by
TheMediator
My pecker's bigger than your pecker.
That's all I see here.
You can only see that because you're stupid. I tried phrasing it differently, but that's basically the only way I can sum it up.
People shouldn't need to be convinced that they should go to the gym and improve themselves. You should WANT to go to the gym. I guess its just a cultural failure or something.
Post by
Patty
People shouldn't need to be convinced that they should go to the gym and improve themselves. You should WANT to go to the gym. I guess its just a cultural failure or something.
If you are healthy or feel comfortable with yourself, you shouldn't feel like you have to go to the gym.
Even if you do want to lose weight or tone up, the gym is boring and monotonous. I personally prefer the outdoors in the summer, and even in relatively cold weather compared to a room full of sweaty, muscular posers.
Different tastes and all of that jazz....
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