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Vote! Goblins or Worgen? Who do you like most?
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Post by
Rankkor
goblins of course.......
races have 2 uses, their looks and their racials.....
the alliance gets a race with a really badass look, but crappy racials
(1% damage? jeez
+15% skinning? what if I don't get that profession?
transformation? the first 50 times it will be awesome, but once the charm is gone, it's a 100% useless skill,
their only good ones are the sprint and the reduced curse duration)
The horde gets a race that's pretty much the funny looking aspect of gnomes, with the green deformity of orcs, but with the most insane racials in history
(1% haste? well, it's usefull, not that much, so it's like the 1% damage of the worgen,
+15 alchemy? well, what if I don't take that profession? ohh wait, even if I don't pots give more HP and mana, so yhea it's a good one,
access to a bank anywhere, without engineer profession? hell yhea!
rocket-jump=blink HELL YHEA,
super-mega discounts regardless of rep? HOLY SWEET DANCING JEHOVA!,
rocket-barrage? depending on HOW much damage it does, I think this one deserves a huge thumbs up)
lastly let's not forget the actual personality of these races, guilneans have been depicted as snooty (is that the right spelling of the word?) pompous flamboyant arrogant jerks in the past, while goblins have been depicted as greedy, cunning, sneaky, goofy, CRAZY AS HELL kinda creatures....
one of the best quotes in warcraft is from a goblin
(Warcraft 2 and 3)
Goblin Zepeling: I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF DANGER AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH
nuff said....
Post by
chilargar
goblins of course.......
races have 2 uses, their looks and their racials.....
the alliance gets a race with a really badass look, but crappy racials
(1% damage? jeez
+15% skinning? what if I don't get that profession?
transformation? the first 50 times it will be awesome, but once the charm is gone, it's a 100% useless skill,
their only good ones are the sprint and the reduced curse duration)
The horde gets a race that's pretty much the funny looking aspect of gnomes, with the green deformity of orcs, but with the most insane racials in history
(1% haste? well, it's usefull, not that much, so it's like the 1% damage of the worgen,
+15 alchemy? well, what if I don't take that profession? ohh wait, even if I don't pots give more HP and mana, so yhea it's a good one,
access to a bank anywhere, without engineer profession? hell yhea!
rocket-jump=blink HELL YHEA,
super-mega discounts regardless of rep? HOLY SWEET DANCING JEHOVA!,
rocket-barrage? depending on HOW much damage it does, I think this one deserves a huge thumbs up)
lastly let's not forget the actual personality of these races, guilneans have been depicted as snooty (is that the right spelling of the word?) pompous flamboyant arrogant jerks in the past, while goblins have been depicted as greedy, cunning, sneaky, goofy, CRAZY AS HELL kinda creatures....
one of the best quotes in wow is from a goblin
(Warcraft 2 and 3)
Goblin Zepeling: I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF DANGER AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH
nuff said....
i agree with rankkor *nods* goblins kick ass compared to worgen!
Post by
Rankkor
I'd say worgen, I've never liked tiny races, except for dwarves, but dwarves are 4 foot 5, which is decent height.
goblins are just ugly green gnomes lol :D. So i'd say worgen, goblin racials are terrible and only good for lazy people, they offer no end game or pvp benefits, just convenience. Worgen racials are all, except for the human form, usefull for pvp/raiding.
so i suppose i shall have to go with the worgen on this one.
rocket-jump offering no pvp benefit? o_O coo-coo?
hello? mage using blink, then rocket-jump?
warrior using charge/intercetp and then rocket-jump?
just you try to stay away from a goblin in pvp, or try to get close to a caster goblin in pvp. ( I can picture already a goblin warlock, using the demonic circle teleport to get away from someone, and then when the danger is close again, rocket-jump/ or a mage that uses frostnova and blink, and then frostnova and rocket-jump/ the scariest one is a DK using death-grip, and if the enemy get's away, rocket-jump and chains of ice........ in short, for melee goblins, getting away from them is gonna be REALLY hard, and for caster goblins, getting close to them to smack them, it's gonna be REALLY hard. the same cannot be said from worgens, as their uber-racial is rendered useless if they are snared, rooted, dazed, or otherwise imposibilited by speed-altering effects)
what about more mana and HP from pots, and the 1% haste?
worgens have only 1 good racial and it's their sprit, wich has a limited usefullness, as if u're snared, dazed or rooted is useless (unlike the rocket-jump wich takes you several yards away even when snared or rooted)
the flayer and transformation racials are utterly useless, (flayer only usefull to the ones with the profesion, but useless to everyone else)
1% damage isn't a lot, but its pretty much the same usefullness than the 1%haste from goblins....
and the reduced curse duration isn't also that good, since in a raid enviroment, curses NEVER last their full duration, they are usually dispelled, (in a competent raid that is) and in pvp as well (in good arena teams)
so, think better before u say worgen racials are better for pvp and raiding.....
(I will give u that the hogoblin bank racial, and the discount racial are for lazy people :D but then again so is the human racial of diplomacy :P)
also, about the height, goblins are the same height as dwarves, not gnomes....... (I should remind you that the playable goblins =/= NPC goblins, they are 2 completely diferent models)
Post by
Rankkor
rocket jump just shoots you up in the air forward, it shares a cooldown with the rocket dmg, so one or the other won't be used, neither are that good. the rocket jump could get you killed.
dead-wrong.
rocket-jump doens't get you killed, it proppels you foward, think of it as the mage's blink, or the hunter's detterence in reverse, you JUMP foward, not upwards....
in a pvp situation that's priceless, as, if the target is getting away, u can catch them in the blink of an eye, and if u try to get away, it puts a large distance between you and the enemy.
the worgen racial can do the same, but it has the weakness that if u're snared, roooted or dazed (or any other speed altering effect) it's useless.
is true that the rocket-jump shares cooldown with the rocket-damage, but in a pvp situation, the jump is so much usefull that I doubt anyone will be using the damage one, at best damage one is used in raids, and jump one used in pvp. see? double use dude
the bank is completely useless, how often do you NEED to use the bank? and you can just go to certain towns or any major city to use a bank, so why does it even matter if you can use it anywhere? You should rarely need the bank, and either way, it's not an interesting racial.
saves time? and the heartstone cooldown for when u actually need it?
15% more usage from mana/health pots is also not that great, and why are you using pots in pvp?
they give and edge in combat? seriusly, classes that can't self heal or that need that inch of HP on combat often use pots and goblin pots are more effective than the others.... also the pots on goblins give 25% more HP and mana, not 15.
in pvp , every little bit counts.
the rep racial only reduces the money cost of things as if you were exalted with a faction even if you arent.
what's so great about that? you still need to get exalted to get things with that faction,
right, so I can't get epic flight unless I'm exalted? nope, I can get it even at friendly, but at friendly it's more expensive, this saves the rep-grind and get an exalted prize imidietly.
if I want the dalaran 3-seat mammoth I have to wait till I'm exalted? nope, I can get it imidietly, besides dude, there are some vendors that aren't tied to factions, and goblins get discounts on them where teh other races cannot.
also (DISCLAIMER: I'm not sure about this part) the goblin discount stacks with the faction discount, so that goblin discount at exalted with a faction =/= discount of any other race at exalted (DISCLAIMER: I'm not sure about this part, I'll have to double-check for it)
now YOU tell me how many uses does the flayer, reduced curse, have?
granted, 1% damage is roughly the same as 1% haste.
sprint as I said isn't perfect, it doesn't clear speed altering effects, so a simple root or snare makes it useless.
and transformation ofers only flavor, no actual gameplay advantage.
reduced curse is also not that usefull since in raids curses are dispelled, and in pvp too.
and flayer is useless when u don't have the profession.
Post by
Rankkor
one thing is personal preference over the looks (on wich I just have to admit worgen DO indeed look amazing) but saying that their racials are "usefull" in any way other than to show-off is kinda.................
their racials have an extremely limited use (only the 1% damage, and the sprint, and sadly the sprint can be rendered useless)
but having 25% more health by pots+1% haste in melee and casting+an extra blink skill (look
at this video, skip to 1:30 and watch rocket-jump in action
), and a rocket-barrage that does about 2k damage (modified by AP/SP) do FAR more in combat (both pve and pvp) than the 1% damage of the worgen does.
BY FAR more......
saying that someone prefers a race for personal taste is one thing, as taste is unique to us all, but saying that a race specific racial skills are better for pvp, when they suck that bad calls for some attention............
1% damage isn't a big deal :P
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Post by
Adamsm
Seriously, this is a vote thread, take your discussion to one of the other many other goblin's are pwn't, worgens rule vice versa threads.
Post by
sutasafaia
rocket jump just shoots you up in the air forward, it shares a cooldown with the rocket dmg, so one or the other won't be used, neither are that good. the rocket jump could get you killed.
dead-wrong.
rocket-jump doens't get you killed, it proppels you foward, think of it as the mage's blink, or the hunter's detterence in reverse, you JUMP foward, not upwards....
in a pvp situation that's priceless, as, if the target is getting away, u can catch them in the blink of an eye, and if u try to get away, it puts a large distance between you and the enemy.
the worgen racial can do the same, but it has the weakness that if u're snared, roooted or dazed (or any other speed altering effect) it's useless.
is true that the rocket-jump shares cooldown with the rocket-damage, but in a pvp situation, the jump is so much usefull that I doubt anyone will be using the damage one, at best damage one is used in raids, and jump one used in pvp. see? double use dude
the bank is completely useless, how often do you NEED to use the bank? and you can just go to certain towns or any major city to use a bank, so why does it even matter if you can use it anywhere? You should rarely need the bank, and either way, it's not an interesting racial.
saves time? and the heartstone cooldown for when u actually need it?
15% more usage from mana/health pots is also not that great, and why are you using pots in pvp?
they give and edge in combat? seriusly, classes that can't self heal or that need that inch of HP on combat often use pots and goblin pots are more effective than the others.... also the pots on goblins give 25% more HP and mana, not 15.
in pvp , every little bit counts.
the rep racial only reduces the money cost of things as if you were exalted with a faction even if you arent.
what's so great about that? you still need to get exalted to get things with that faction,
right, so I can't get epic flight unless I'm exalted? nope, I can get it even at friendly, but at friendly it's more expensive, this saves the rep-grind and get an exalted prize imidietly.
if I want the dalaran 3-seat mammoth I have to wait till I'm exalted? nope, I can get it imidietly, besides dude, there are some vendors that aren't tied to factions, and goblins get discounts on them where teh other races cannot.
also (DISCLAIMER: I'm not sure about this part) the goblin discount stacks with the faction discount, so that goblin discount at exalted with a faction =/= discount of any other race at exalted (DISCLAIMER: I'm not sure about this part, I'll have to double-check for it)
now YOU tell me how many uses does the flayer, reduced curse, have?
granted, 1% damage is roughly the same as 1% haste.
sprint as I said isn't perfect, it doesn't clear speed altering effects, so a simple root or snare makes it useless.
and transformation ofers only flavor, no actual gameplay advantage.
reduced curse is also not that usefull since in raids curses are dispelled, and in pvp too.
and flayer is useless when u don't have the profession.
The discounts do not stack. The goblins simply get exalted prices without any need to grind for rep.
Also, to stay on topic...Worgen. I vote Worgen. I hate their racials compared to the goblins but I want my werewolf.
Post by
Adamsm
counting by the posts, it's 25 for goblins, 27 for worgen now :O.There you go Darkeye, have it a little cleaned up now so people can see the count without needing the quote.
Post by
Monday
I'm changing my old one to goblin. They're just bad assassin.
Post by
Rankkor
=O is that allowed funden? :P guess that brings the count to a tie, 26/26
and yhea, after double-cheking, goblin discount doesn't stack with rep discount :P my bad.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You know, I realised looking at goblins in the gameplay trailers.. there not like gnomes are all, just because there short, there infact more like dwarves. Just because there be the hordes token small race doesn't mean there as small as gnomes.
Post by
Rankkor
if you watch the cataclysm trailer, you see goblins standing next to orcs, and judging by their height, it's the same of the dwarves rather than gnomes.........
as it is NPC goblins rite now are slightly taller than gnomes, player goblins will be definitly much taller than gnomes....
some stuff is unchangeable, tauren will allways be the tallest race, whereas gnomes will allways be the shorter race....
Post by
mdrood
I've loved goblins since MTG and worgen just don't sound that interesting to me. Being that I'm alliance, I wish goblins were neutral then perhaps through a quest you could choose your faction (similar to aldor/scryer).
Post by
zomg5
i like both worgen and goblin but why dont they also but more race as well like for example ogre for horde and the furbolg for the alliance?
but on second thought furbolg looks gay in any gear
Post by
Rankkor
You know, I realised looking at goblins in the gameplay trailers.. there not like gnomes are all, just because there short, there infact more like dwarves. Just because there be the hordes token small race doesn't mean there as small as gnomes.
wowwiki says male goblins are 4 foot 3 in height, dwarves are 4 foot 5, however wowwiki ALSO says goblins average in 3 feet.
stop relying on plain text, and rely on your own eyes, put a gnome next to a goblin NPC on today's wow, and u'll see the goblins taller, and these are the old goblin NPC, wich are diferent from the player ones.
on the cataclysm trailer u can see goblins standing next to orcs, and they look a lot taller than gnomes..
that's because on a programmer POV; they used the basic skeleton of male dwarves to make the goblins (same way they used forsaken skeletons to make the wretched elves, those found in eversong woods in the starting elven area)
on average, a gnome next to an orc will have a height sort of above the knee, slightly
whereas a goblin standing next to an orc will have a height pretty much on the waist
(both can be confirmed, gnome height in-game, just go to dalaran with an orc/gnome and stand next to a gnome/orc, and the goblin height can be checked by looking at the cataclysm trailer, then compare :P goblins=Dwarves, at least in height)
not for nothing, the brewfest is hosted by these 2 races, dwarves host in on alliance, goblins do on the horde.
Post by
pnkflffytutu
goblin 100% who cares about looks racials are where its at(coming from ally too)
Post by
Fireroflmage
Hm...id say both. I like worgen cuz im alliance and im gonna start my worgen druid druid and dk(name for druid is already saved! Wolfbearcat!). I do like goblin racials and have always like playin some of the horde races.
Post by
windstrum
Both
.
In the beginning I liked the look and idea of the worgen very much, and I guess like a lot of people kind of thought of the goblins as "just another gnome" race. However I've come around in regards to the goblins as Blizzard has released more images of them. They look pretty cool. I'll most likely be rolling one of each when Cata drops.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Still both, but one of the made up jokes:
"Technically it's true, but if you call me that, I'll bite you!" Female worgen.I came up with that.
Well, I think several people came up with variations on that theme independently of one another...but that's pretty close to my version.
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