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Investigation Into the Blight and Its Testing
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Post by
HiVolt
I really don't think she's insane. Definitely a psychopath, but not psychotic.
Just look at what she says in the Battle of Undercity. She doesn't seem like a raving lunatic to me.
If you put Arthas/the Lich King in front of her watch how she changes.....
Who wouldn't change when put in front of the Lich King? Just because the need for revenge might drive her to being even more blind and spiteful when faced with the Lich King, doesn't automatically mean she'd finally gone off her rocker.
She's a cold, methodical, unremorseful, killer, and her need for revenge drives it. But she's not a complete raving lunatic.
Post by
Rankkor
we're deviating from the main topic......
the main topic is to completely put a nail on the coffin and bury the whole "boo-hoo forsaken experimented on children and on inocent villagers" crap that 3 users (1 in particular) looooove to rub on pretty much every thread that includes the words "sylvannas" "Blight" or "Forsaken".....
let's keep on topic pls, show evidence to refute what skree researched about the whole children butchery, or let's all agree that after all this extensive research, there is no doubt that the test subjects used by forsaken are crusaders and mountaneers.
all discussion of sylvannas being evil/not evil, or crazy/sane, should go to the topic that taurenmoo made "About sylvannas being "Evil" " this topic is about WHO was used during the test and development of the blight..........
Post by
Adamsm
all discussion of sylvannas being evil/not evil, or crazy/sane, should go to the topic that taurenmoo made "About sylvannas being "Evil" " this topic is about WHO was used during the test and development of the blight..........
Can't really have one without the other Rankkorr heh.
Post by
Rankkor
yhea but focusing exclusively on sylvannas will completely overshadow the main focus on this thread.
THE FORSAKEN DID NOT USED CHILDREN in any of their experiments, nor did they used inocent villagers either.
you can debate who was used on the experiments without mentioning sylvannas and her motivations.
the sole focus on this thread is to purge the mith and superstitions regarding the test-subjects.
by mixing sylvannas here, her greater importance will overshadow what skree tried to do here.
this is why I beg of u to discuss her on a diferent thread, let's keep this one pure, and focus exclusively on the test subjects.
evidence that they where inocent, or evidence that they were crusaders.....
to discuss sylvannas there are litteraly hundreds of threads avaliable, and it's quite posible to do a new one. but this one let's keep it pure
pretty-please--
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Post by
Braevia
I'm pretty sure I remember doing a Forsaken quest where I was told that I was gathering herbs to help a Tauren woman who was being treated in the Apothecary in Undercity, but instead I was gathering ingredients for something that killed her.
Post by
Adamsm
you can debate who was used on the experiments without mentioning sylvannas and her motivations.
the sole focus on this thread is to purge the mith and superstitions regarding the test-subjects.
by mixing sylvannas here, her greater importance will overshadow what skree tried to do here.But that's the thing... Sylvanas knew/didn't care who the subjects were, as long as they died for the purpose of creating the Blight. She is part of it, and she used all manner of people to make sure the Blight would be cross specie and cross race to kill everything. I can't see a group of Forsaken going out to capture a group of humans(be they Scarlets or Hillsbrad farmers) without her go ahead. I mean, Skree even showed that she didn't really care if the Forsaken that was going to be tested on was an actual criminal or someone who volunteered to do it.
Post by
Rankkor
and she used all manner of people to make sure the Blight would be cross specie and cross race to kill everything
and yet, the sole purpuse of this thread was to prove that despite the huge variety of test-subjects chosen for the blight project, neither children, nor villagers where picked up.....
Sylvanas knew/didn't care who the subjects were
maybe she doesn't but we do, and by we I mean all the horde players who resent when ignorants insist that the forsaken used children on these experiments.... again the purpose of this thread wasn't to judge wheter sylvannas is crazy or sane, good or evil, or if she cared about the subjects or not.
the purpose of this thread was to dispell the myth of child-experimentation and villager abduction by the RAS.--
please let's leave sylvannas out of this, as she simply wanted a blight developed, no matter the cost, and yet even when she gave green light to use whatever means necesary, no child or villager was used as a test subject.....
and orukai, I've never considered med'an a child, at best he's a teenager, but clearly he's on the early 20's or something, he's not really a chid.
the damnation comes from the fact that even when med'an didn't do any harm to varian, he would be willing to kill him just for being garona's son, regardless if he's an adult, esentially he's being made to pay a price for something he's 200% inocent.
Post by
Adamsm
the purpose of this thread was to dispell the myth of child-experimentation and villager abduction by the RAS.--Well, you can dispell the child thing; no children have ever actually 'died/been killed' in WoW(the quest to get them out of the cornfield in the Worgen start zone not withstanding), but... I'm not sure on the villager thing heh.
please let's leave sylvannas out of this, as she simply wanted a blight developed, no matter the cost, and yet even when she gave green light to use whatever means necesary, no child or villager was used as a test subject.....Again, you can't: Her people are tied to her, and she's tied to them.
Post by
Rankkor
no children are ever actually in 'danger' in WoW
wrong bro ':P u forgot about that ghost-child on western plagelands?
she's dead, and in a horrible manner too.....
Her people are tied to her, and she's tied to them.
I still fail to see how does your info relates to the thread.
the objective here is that you show proof that villagers where used on the experiments, or that children were used.
or that you show proof, or at least arguments that show that no civilians or children where used on the experiment.
I just don't see how saying "sylvannas is crazy " or "sylvannas isn't crazy" relates to the 2 objectives above.
I don't see how saying "sylvannas is evil" or saying "Sylvannas isn't evil, just cruel" relates to the 2 objectives.
this thread=/= judgement of her
This thead=prove WHO was used on the experiments, pull up lore quotes, quests, or NPC's that prove just exactly what sort of people was used on the experimentation.
Post by
Adamsm
wrong bro ':P u forgot about that ghost-child on western plagelands?
she's dead, and in a horrible manner too.....She's been dead for years though, we don't 'see' her die.
This thead=prove WHO was used on the experiments, pull up lore quotes, quests, or NPC's that prove just exactly what sort of people was used on the experimentation.Except for the excerpt from Rise of the Lich King where Sylvanas get's giddy watching the human and the forsaken die heh.
Post by
Rankkor
She's been dead for years though, we don't 'see' her die.
we don't see her die, but she was still a child, and was in danger, and died a horrible death that we didn't saw, it's just a proof that children are not "Death-proof" on this game.
Except for the excerpt from Rise of the Lich King where Sylvanas get's giddy watching the human and the forsaken die heh.
and what exactly does that have to do with WHO was used on the experiments?
all that proves is that she gets turned on by death, so what? she's not the first, nor is she the last one to act like that, that doesn't prove WHO was used,
and the sole reason of this thread was to investigate WHO was used.
so again addams, sylvannas reaction to all these events how exactly prove WHO was used to test the blight?
Post by
Adamsm
so again addams, sylvannas reaction to all these events how exactly prove WHO was used to test the blight?That she had a human, one who was crying and screaming about dying... which doesn't deem like your standard Scarlet fanatic, most them rage against the Forsaken. I know she has no name, and we know it's a 'woman' as opposed to a little girl, but still, she doesn't sound like a fighter, so it's possible she was someone the Forsaken captured while they were in Hillsbrad or the like. Saying all the people are Scarlets isn't the right answer either; most of them are sure... but there are also people from Stromguarde who come under attack from that one Plague set up in Arathi. Merely saying, your doing the same thing you accuse Dark and others of; trying to group it all into one group.
Sylvanas though, is the reason the Plague was created, which is something that I will stop speaking on, but it doesn't make it any less relevant: Goes with why the Plague was forged, to kill both the Living and the Dead. For all we know, once the Lich King was dead of the Blight and most of the Alliance and Horde, she might have made her entire race drink the 'kool-aid' and do it as well.
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
one who was crying and screaming about dying... which doesn't deem like your standard Scarlet fanatic
funny, on the DK starting quest, I get to torture several scarlets, and even see some of them in cages on the ebon hold....
wanna know their reactions?
they cry, and moan and beg, and fear, because despite their fanatism they are still humans, still capable of feeling fear.
the forsaken prisoner, being dead, lacking emotions, and the reasons skreeeran said, was numb enough to jsut let it go.
I know that the test subjects weren't probably 100% scarlets, but they were mostly scarlets, like 90 or 95%.
she doesn't sound like a fighter
there's several NPC's on the game that despite being soldiers, actually cry and beg for mercy when captured, this has more to do with personality than faction really.
Sylvanas though, is the reason the Plague was created
everyone already knows this, by continuing to mention this already known ifno, this thread will inevitably deviate from discussing who was used on the experiments to a full analisis of sylvannas.
For all we know, once the Lich King was dead of the Blight and most of the Alliance and Horde, she might have made her entire race drink the 'kool-aid' and do it as well.
speculating this is the same as speculating what would varian do to the orcs if he won a war against the horde (not that it would happen even in his wildest deams) would he kill them all? would he enslave them? who knows? nobody knows.
we don't know what would she had done if she wasn't betrayed, and now we will never will, discussing what she would had done, would simple AGAIN deviate the point of this thread from WHO was used on the experiments, to another analisys of sylvannas.
come on man, we can analize her on another thread.
thsi one is to see who was used on the experiments.
no more, no less. (to judge sylvannas there are several other threads.)
Post by
Adamsm
thsi one is to see who was used on the experiments.Not really much left to discuss though, Skree hit it all on the head.
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283679
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
My on topic point is the people in this thread are using some of the same arguments to defend Sylavanas and the Forsaken that were used to condemn Varian Wyrnn. The only difference is the Faction. Would this thread have even been written if Varian was the one creating the Blight, or would most of you assume Varian was grabbing baby Orcs to experiment on simply because they refered to one as a boy and another as a girl.
I've never loved the "what if" scenarios.... it's pointless.......
what if we had killed arthas on CoS? what if varian was found by the defias before reghar got to him? what would had happened if blah blah blah.......
let's focus on what DID happened.
the reason varian got trashed for his action towards med'an was because med'an didn't do anything to him and yet he was willing to kill him only for being garona's son.
I doubt med'an as the same age as thrall, he looks a lot younger, but I do admit 100% that he's by no definiton a child, no way no how....
and nobody here is (at least on this specific thread) using argumens that doomed varian to defend sylvannas.
we're (for the love of god) trying to prove who was used on the forsaken experiments......
Not really much left to discuss though, Skree hit it all on the head.
BINGO! =) u just won a cookie...
You can be 6 and defined as 'women' as well.
/facepalm
so, my 4 year old daugther can be called a woman? even when she shows no signs of womanhood? (no menstruation, no hormones, no breasts, no pubic hair, and all the marks that clearly make the diference from FEMALE to WOMAN)
dude. you really need to take some english clases, this is getting dangerous.....
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