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Post by
RedMosquito
leuitinet,
My veiws are there and this is a pvp forum after all. Why doesnt someone with some intellect make a survey. It is the only way this arguement can be settled. With some threads getting 40k hits it would make good statisic's. Make an option so people can make only 1 post in a yes or no answer. Then ask them their opinion of toons in BG's wether or not they should be allowed to play. Wether experience should apply to BG's.
I know I said I was done with this thread but it is just so mind numbingly easy to point out flaws in your position that i could not resist.
There does not need to be a survey given to people on message boards. There has been a real world, in game experiment on this very subject since TOC came out that encompasses 15 million accounts across all battlegroups.
These are indisputible facts.
EXP GAIN(non twink) BG's are very popular and thus well populated.
NON EXP GAIN(twink) BG's are not very popular and thus not populated at all.
As it turns out this extensive test has proven that a very large majority of players, I could even use the term landslide, have decided they prefer to play with non twinks. And unbelievable as it may seem to you, even Twinks prefer
NOT
to play with other Twinks. Gasp! I know these results are shocking so take a moment to gather yourself.
Post by
leuitinet
/bow Red I bow in respect to ur greatness lol
Post by
marlowe
@lokatum.
i think you are justified in your view, and argue your point reasonably well.
fine, we get it. you feel injusticed that blizzard has taken away your "right" to play a toon the way you feel you'd like. i get it. and they have.
but i think you are missing the point here. the grand scheme has somehow surpassed even your brilliant mind. blizzard can do whatever the %^&* they want. they took away twinks from the common BG. so !@#$ing what. its their game and they can do whatever they want.
you post save the toon save the world yadayadayada in every post. do you think you are some crusader for twinking rights?
again i say, this is their game and you pay to play it. if you don't like it, then its probably time for you to move on with your life and shattered dreams of +7 agi to bracers.
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Post by
leuitinet
heros save the day not make them worse. There are a few hero toons, and than there are toons like you that abuse their power. Abuse of power= Villian.
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Post by
Aurran
I'd like to ask something of all who say that "twinks are unfair, you should pvp at 80"...
Do you realize that you are contradicting yourself?
Twinking is merely being the highest level in a given bracket, and having the best gear.
Should a level 80 player stop doing arena and battlegrounds once they've gotten the latest season's gear? I mean they're overpowered compared to those with lesser gear, are they not? That's essentially twinking, yet on an 80 rather than a 19, 29, 39, 49, 59, etc, is it not?
Where is your logic in telling us to go to level 80 then pvp? We're setting ourselves in a bracket we like. You like 80, we like our respective bracket. There's nothing wrong with that.
I guess what I'm saying is about like this: If you like a certain color, nobody tells you to conform to their color instead, do they? Yet when twinks prefer the bracket they play in, they feel it is the best. What makes you right to say yours is better? What gives you the right to tell someone else to change their ways to fit what you prefer? We're essentially doing the same thing, you on your 80, or someone on a twink, simply trying to get geared and pvp against others. What gives you that right? Why do we have to defend ourselves, and it's simply given to you? Please, someone tell me (and do it without flaming, or following along with the things I've pointed out here). I'd love to see someone provide their logic, if it exists.
Post by
leuitinet
You just said what so many others have said. Ur right twinking at any lvl is like gearing for pvp at 80. The only difference is that 80s have their own BGs. So ur logic is slightly off. Now that you mention it... Being 80 is like twinking in any other bracket. Only difference is everyone is 80. So if ya think about it, Blizz made it so that if you want to steamroll low bracket player just cap 80 and gear up. That way u can kill everyone, and find those few ppl that can stand up to you. That sounds like what the bgs use to be like before the exp bgs. Aurran, you just made a discovery. Props to you /clap. That may sound like im being a wise-ass, and im sry if it offends you but these are things we know. You cant turn Exp off at 80, cuz the exp is alrdy stopped. Is pvping at 80 any different from the other brackets? only in terms of talents and the spells available, and by the time one caps, they have the skill and knowledge to play their toon to the height of its ability, instead of running around with a limited set of spells. So why twink instead of capping? Cuz its a long process to cap. Its so much easier to pick a lvl and stay there. Yes, the Exp Bgs now cause one to lvl, but thats only if you choose to play there. If you dont want to turn it off, and wait. Yeah waiting sucks, but there are times that, even at 80 there are slow pvp days.
This is one of those topics that can be discussed all day, and there are many idea and POVs that can also be applied, but the question is, will we find one that ultimately satisfies all?
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Post by
Aurran
You just said what so many others have said. Ur right twinking at any lvl is like gearing for pvp at 80. The only difference is that 80s have their own BGs. So ur logic is slightly off. Now that you mention it... Being 80 is like twinking in any other bracket. Only difference is everyone is 80. So if ya think about it, Blizz made it so that if you want to steamroll low bracket player just cap 80 and gear up. That way u can kill everyone, and find those few ppl that can stand up to you. That sounds like what the bgs use to be like before the exp bgs. Aurran, you just made a discovery. Props to you /clap. That may sound like im being a wise-ass, and im sry if it offends you but these are things we know. You cant turn Exp off at 80, cuz the exp is alrdy stopped. Is pvping at 80 any different from the other brackets? only in terms of talents and the spells available, and by the time one caps, they have the skill and knowledge to play their toon to the height of its ability, instead of running around with a limited set of spells. So why twink instead of capping? Cuz its a long process to cap. Its so much easier to pick a lvl and stay there. Yes, the Exp Bgs now cause one to lvl, but thats only if you choose to play there. If you dont want to turn it off, and wait. Yeah waiting sucks, but there are times that, even at 80 there are slow pvp days.
This is one of those topics that can be discussed all day, and there are many idea and POVs that can also be applied, but the question is, will we find one that ultimately satisfies all?
tl;dr: English classes are failing today's youth.
As far as my "discovery", you've only talked around my point, not on it. What makes you right? Where is it written that 80 pvp is the only way to pvp, unless for the sole purpose of leveling up? Until that is provided, then twinking is just as "balanced" as the pvp at any other level.
In the twinked brackets, you'll have your players who are undergeared, then the players capable of running through everyone no problem. In 80, it is the same, there will be fresh 80s with very little gear, as opposed to someone who has been farming honor and arena points for quite some time, to get geared.
Post by
leuitinet
the both of you arent seeing my point. I said the same thing i only applied more to it. I agreed that 80 pvp is just like how the Bgs were before the exp bgs went live. As u said there are those geared and those that arent. What you and Lokatum are failing to see is this. 80 pvp is only different in the following ways:
1. Everyone is 80. They cant lvl out of the bracket cuz there is no turning off exp. Therefore they can steamroll under-geared players. Where in all other brackets if you want to steamroll non-twinks you need exp on, but you risk lvling.
2. 80s have their own bracket. Now look at it this way. If 80s have their own bracket, they only fight other 80s. Now that Blizz made it so 'toons' have their own brackets, its like being 80. Only difference is 'toons' cant smash non-toons. This isnt what most toons want, so they think the Exp BGs are a bad thing.
Im sure i could name a few more things that are similar between being 80 and twinking, but im sure id be told im an ignorant child that has no business posting. Think what you will of me, but know that i only posted my opinion, and not once trashed either of you two. And on a few occassions ive attempted to see things from each of ur POVs.
Post by
RedMosquito
I wanted to insert a bunch of quotes in here but I think you guys know who i am talking to.
How is 80 different than twinking at x9 level you ask? For one were all the same level, thats pretty obvious I hope. But let me reiterate that, were all the same level, as in i'm 80 your 80, even the afk guy behind the fence eating a bowl of cereal IRL, yup he is 80 too. Now I know you 2 will try to say well some guys are actually 81 due to some stupid mother *!@#er at Blizzard who doesnt know !@#$ about the game and put in some stupid code that allowed him to become 81 even though i think its total BS. So dont even try it because we all know thats not true.
But seriously and more importantly the guys who have OP gear at 80 earned it.The guys who have it at x9 bought most of it. You know that glowing weapon you have that dominates, yeah you know the one that some
other
player found on some random mob and sold to you for some ridiculous price. Well at 80 you need a pretty lofty arena rating and enough points to get that same kind of game changing weapon. Your not seriously going to say that he doesnt deserve that op weapon more than your blue BOE are you.
Now i know your going to say that the bads could go ahead and buy their @#$% just like you did, but that brings me to my third point. At 80 everyone has the same goal, gear my character and get better at this endgame level of PVP. At low brackets(before the patch) only twinks had that goal for pvp, the lowbies were just trying to have a little fun with the game on their way to 80. But because of exploiters like yourselves that became a waste of time for them. So Blizzard fixed it for everyone including you.
They keep their xp on and play with who they wish to play with and you can turn yours off and play with other like minded players. How in the world is this unfair in any way shape or form? Levelers dont want to play with you but if they do they can just as easily choose the option to do so as you can choose the option to play with them.
There are countless games out there that someone loves that no one else gives a flying ^&*! about, should those that do not wish to play these games be forced to do so to make that person happy? How ridiculous does that sound? That is essentially what your demanding. You say I love to play PVP a certain way and I dont care if you do not wish to play that way you have to. You guys are the ones trying to force people into a corner not Blizzard. You can twink, hell its easier now than ever before. You can run sfk till your sick of it and get every piece you ever wanted. So please go twink your toon, by all means. You can even let me know what realm your on and Ill send you some leg enchants free of charge, my bad they took that away from you too :(
Sorry for the wall of text but this has been a hard point to drive home.
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Post by
leuitinet
and ur comment reflects ur stupidity. There are countless times imes i've said i have a toon. I not tonce said i hate toons. I never said toons are bad. Red and my-self have stated the toons make pvp more difficult for those under-geared or new to pvp. Its fun for you to smashface of everything, but its not fun for them. They wont want to pvp because there isnt any fun in getting WTFPWNd all day long. And im tired of you dis-respecting me, and calling my intellegence into question. It just goes to show that ignorant, selfish people your-self are so narrow-minded that they think 'that doesnt make sence therefore its wrong' You havent dont anything in this thread but complain that your toon lost his 'freedom' and dis-respect me and others. You've no place to be posting here.
Post by
RedMosquito
All we have is the same 3 players posting the same toliet, with nothing in support or with any experience of the topic of this thread. With those who are favour or posting positive views getting railroaded by the same people.
Redmosquito and lieuitinet they post absolutely nothing clever. How many times will you say the same two things. Their experience of this game, Is more or less this
1) I hate toons
2) Toons are bad.
It shows an intellect similar to racism and the way you two have reposted and reposted your same veiws. Won't give you any support
We also always get people like the above saying nothing about the thread or even promoting a view. Shut up, and stay out you got nothing to say apart from pasting people comments back to them adding in your Irish (metaphor).
Look at my last post, I made 3 points that you still cant refute. You havent even tried, as a matter of fact you just ignore what everyone says, you dont make a counter argument at all. You just continue to say you have had your freedom taken from you. Which is laughable, and makes you sound like a complete moron.
Can you at least answer me one question? Please just one.
Can you still join a que for a battleground in which you will gain no experience?
That is a yes or no question. And essentially thats all that matters in this argument. Answer please.
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498980
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Post by
RedMosquito
Your are simply not answering the questions honestly.
You can indeed que for battlegrounds with your xp turned off. This is a fact, it is indisputible. Blizzard did not ban your character from doing this.
Here are the facts pre patch: Players had but one choice in regards to BG's. Join a bg and gain no xp.
Post patch players have 2 choices, join a bg and gain xp or join a bg and gain no xp. Your preferred choice is still available to you (no xp) and anyone else who wishes to do so.
In reality the freedoms have been expanded from one choice to two not narrowed.
The fact that you can wait 64 hours in que and nothing pops is not because blizzard has removed anything. It is because they offered MORE choices and people have clearly favored one over the other. To revert back to the old way would in fact, not opinion, narrow the choices and thus limit the freedom.
How can you say otherwise? Do you not understand that your bgs are not happening because players have chosen not to play in them? Blizzard did not make them choose one way or the other other, the players choose which bg to enter.
Im sorry for you, I honestly am. Wow is a great game and pvp is fun. Being able to stop at an early level and get into pvp as a twink opens up a lot of possibilities for players that cant sit in front of their computers for 20 hours a day. It is unfortunate that so few players have decided to take advantage of the new system, but it is not that Blizzard wont allow them to use the new system they choose not to.
I honestly have a twink Pally @ 19 (and a 49 druid who is now 54)myself, his leg enchants are red which is aggravating, and I too cant get into a bg. But I am mad at the twinks, not Blizzard. Where did they all go? We have our own BG's now and they choose not to play. I was excited for the change, i figured i could start running low level 5 mans maybe form 19 guilds or whatever x9 I chose, but noooo the twinks up and vanished. They turned out to be cowards in the end. You know as well as I that the community is to blame here.
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