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Aazed
I've looked at your armory, and despite the Combat spec being the active one, it seems like you dc'ed with your Assassination gear (at least for the 2 daggers).
Your gear seems appropriate for the 20/51/0 Combat spec you have, and unless you have two bad weapons I shall say that Combat > Assassination in your current gear.
I've been in the same situation (excellent Combat gear, crappy ToC-10 daggers) and I found out that Combat > Assassination until ICC-Saurfang. My advice is: stay Combat until you have a decent gear for Mutilate (you should then be able to go up to Saurfang), and then switch if you're willing to.
Edit: Herkuml War Totem is a massive upgrade for most rogues. You might consider buying it as your first purchase. (I've went for the waist.)
Edit2: Needle-encrusted Scorpion is crap for Assassination.
Edit3: In my sheet, ToC-10 MH dagger was better than the dagger that drops from the new heroics, eventhough the stats seemed worse.
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I link my rogue again, since its profile was bugged the last time and only the PvP gear was shown:
Nryka
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Post by
Liquoid
I link my rogue again, since its profile was bugged the last time and only the PvP gear was shown:
Nryka
.
Mark of Supremacy > Shard of the Crystal Heart (for the same reason 40 AP gems are better than 20 Haste gems)
Expertise gems as Combat? Please.
8/10
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Aazed
Mark of Supremacy > Shard of the Crystal Heart (for the same reason 40 AP gems are better than 20 Haste gems)
I knew someone would jump over that one :) Here is what my spreadsheet tells me:
With Mark of Supremacy: 9,341.4 dps
With Shard of the Crystal Heart: 9,479.8 dps
I realize it sounds strange, but I've tend to trust my spreadsheet more than my feet (they do nasty things).
Important notice: we found out a few posts later that it was due to an erroneous entry in the Gear tab of the spreadsheet, where I mistakenly assumed than the Shard had as much Haste as the Mark had AP.
Expertise gems as Combat? Please.
Same reasoning here: it is a 1.4 dps increase, it puts me close to the cap, and most of all it removes this unlucky dodge on some of my SS (which strangely enough seems to happen every f*cking time I need to build my CP fast).
Important notice: we also found that Expertise gained much more value for Combat since patch 3.3, presumably because of the added white hits and the poison procs they create.
Post by
Liquoid
Why would a dodged SS hurt? Really, I am at doubt. As for the trinket, I'd suggest you to double-check. Ten times. :|
Post by
Aazed
As for the trinket, I'd suggest you to double-check. Ten times. :|
Well, unless my eyes play me tricks, please check for yourself:
screenshot
. Need my entire sheet? Feel free to ask.
Found it! It was an error in the Gear tab, I candidly thought that SotCH was adding 1024 Haste instead of 512. Thanks Liq!
Why would a dodged SS hurt? Really, I am at doubt.
I thought it'd hurt. Since my spreadsheet tells me that gemming AP at that particular spot is a dps decrease (eventhough it's a small decrease) what would you recommend me?
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Liquoid
Heh, 1024 Haste would somewhat be equivalent to Mark's "2048 AP", which is sadly not true.
As for expertise, go to Settings. Is the "Score Expertise as Best Other Stat" option in there? If so, that option should only be used for Mutilate sheets.
Nevermind.
I just downloaded the latest Combat Sheet (N.B. - I switched to Mutilate in 3.3) and plugged my gear in there, including Quel'Delar and my latest gear which I had been using for Mutilate. And it does recommend me to cap Expertise for dodge :o
I guess it's the fact that white hits (and their respective Poison procs) now make up for much more damage overall.
Post by
Aazed
“Score Expertise as Best Other Stat” is unchecked. With the updated spreadsheet (read: without my shaming error):
No Exp gems, chance to be dodged: 2.29% –
9,339.6 dps
1 Exp gem, chance to be dodged: 1.68% –
9,341.4 dps
2 Exp gems, chance to be dodged: 1.07% –
9,342.8 dps
3 Exp gems, chance to be dodged: 0.46% –
9,343.8 dps
4 Exp gems, chance to be dodged: 0.00% –
9,334.5 dps
3 Exp gems, 1 Exp/Hit gem, chance to be dodged: 0.16% –
9,343.6 dps
I currently use 1 Exp gem; using 2 more of them is a theoretical 2.4 dps.
Do you think it is biased or mis-calculated and that I should perform better with no Exp gem?
Post by
Liquoid
My generic "Expertise is fail for Combat" reply is not true since 3.3 :|
Keep the gem, I guess the spreadsheet does know what it's on about.
Post by
Aazed
Then thank you, and sorry for the spam.
Post by
Tolnuk
I love intelligent and well resourced arguments like what we just saw, if this thread goes towards it, keep 'em coming!
Thank you Samritii for rating Nezaga. I was still sure gemming for Agility was the thing to do. With the quantity of agility I have, the amount of crit and AP I get from Kings is, *ahem*,
insane
. But I'll double check, just in case things have changed with 3.3, because I know full-AP and full-Agi were nose to nose for all of WotLK, at least for Muti rogues.
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I will play, rate me..
here is my Armory link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Torlagi
I eat Expertise food in dungeons or raids to get my Expertise to 26.
"When the eagles go silent, the parrots will jabber"
Winston Churchill
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Post by
rainydays
Wouldn't it be better to move the 2 talent points from Relentless Strikes, to Opportunity.
+20% to Mut seems a better investment then 40% chance for 25 energy off of 5 CP
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(causal/non-raider player)
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