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Post by
wbalmung
LMAO
QQ I am mad because I can't get loot so now everyone in Wowhead forums is gonna feel my wrath!
You do know there is leather gear with SP on it right, quit being greedy and wear the pieces you are actually SUPPOSED to be wearing.
I see it now, you come off as a big damn baby who cries when things don't go their way, you are making it painfully clear in your post. Stop being so emo, maybe go smoke a cigarette and calm down.
Except that for Pallies at least, some cloth gear is BiS.
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chase123
I don't see one problem with the new LFD loot system. The only problem here is bad itemization. Maybe next x-pac blizz will fix itemization for druids, shammies and pallies so they wont have to need on lower armor gear.
As a priest, I love this new system. I didn't whine when moonkins, trees, elem shammies were needing on my stuff. So when I see these same classes whining now that they cant need on my gear, I just soak up the tears.
Btw, emblems>heroic gear. Play the game or do yourself a favor and quit before you have an aneurysm.
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Post by
shakakoz
Greed is the same level as DE because otherwise, all enchanters could role Greed (or off-spec), and then just DE the items later. Greed is the same as DE - we are going to sell those items at some point.
When I see an off-spec item I want, I just ask if I can need it. This is rarely a problem, but if someone has an issue with it, then I Greed it and hope to win. It is not a perfect system, but I think it's a good compromise. If there was a separate off-spec button, what would stop me from clicking it just so I can DE everything? Not everyone is honest, which is why we have the current system to begin with.
The current system is the fairest way to go.
It would appear you have not fully understood the new system, or what people are talking about in this thread properly. You cannot ask your group to need anymore because you cannot roll on sub-level armour classes. Druids can't roll on cloth, shamans can't roll on leather and paladins can't roll on mail.
Actually, I do understand. Paladins can't Need on cloth. That's too bad. I'm sure the Mages out there are thankful for this, since they would not only have to compete with cloth wearers, but everyone else too. The current system is the most fair to everyone.
If you guys want to petition Blizz and get this change made, then be my guest. I'm honest myself, but I imagine that there would be all sorts of abuses by Paladins who would constantly roll on O/S items that would simply get DE'd later. If that becomes the status quo, then I guess my Pally Enchanter will have to do the same. This is what I see as the real problem; people want to replace an imperfect system with a worse one.
I guess the question has to be asked: What safeguard will you put in place to keep my Pally honest?
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chase123
Cloth makes up for over 30% of all drops, there is hardly a shortage of it.
The only way to make the current system fair is to increase the number of leather/mail/plate drops available and to itemize them properly. Otherwise the system is biased towards cloth wearers.
This is where you're wrong. The reason cloth makes up for 30% of all drops is because 3 out of the 10 classes can only wear cloth.
3/10 can wear plate.
2/10 can wear leather.
2/10 can wear mail.
So by your example, if 30% of the game can wear plate, does that make it right for my priest to roll on plate just because "there is hardly a shortage of it"?
If Blizzard doesn't want Druids to use cloth, Shammies to use leather or Pallies to use mail, then they should simply stop them from being able to equip it.
I would very much like this. Maybe in time it would eventually stop the whining.
Post by
Erethzium
So if someone else had won the roll what would you have done? Harassed then until they gave the item to you or until you could get a vote to kick them?
Uh, no? I would have said "gratz" and tried again for it the next day. Good guess though, Mr.Troll.
All these complex ideas for a roll system that caters more to you and less to anyone besides you....
Yep, specifically why I use the word "Paladin
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You all need to grow up some more and get to understand that you don't get the best chance at everything just because you want it.
Best chance? It's more like no chance, in this case. =/
Secondly, this has nothing to do with clothies, or anyone else needing the item. Where are you getting that from?
If you actually read the rest of the thread, you'd see that it was about Paladins like me getting shafted because we can't roll Need on certain items, and they just go to D/E because that's what people usually select when they don't need or can't use the item.
And about "losing the roll", I didn't lose a roll, the item automatically went to D/E because I couldn't select "Need". =/
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Post by
Rubendesmet619
If I'm a ninja on my druid for taking cloth that's an upgrade over a mage then so be it.
I was wearing a leather belt(Nax25) mail head(OS25 3d), leather chest(Nax25), leather gloves(Maly25) and leather bracers(to get my hit capped) at a certain point on my warrior.
My stats where way beyond what a warrior in plate could dream of <3.
I'm al for a simple rule, "an upgrade is an upgrade", hell atm I'm rolling on every butcher that drops although it's maybe a 10DPS upgrade(having the ToGC10 swords 2x), some people wil whine about me already having Ilv 245 weapons, but I realy don't care as it stil is an upgrade wich means I'm needing.
Same for agilityrings fr rogues/ferals/shamans, if I need I need, I have 0 problems a moonkin/ele shaman rolls for cloth when playing my spriest as long as it's an upgrade for him.
People QQ about higher armor classes being loot$%^&*s while THEY are the ones COMPLETLY refusing loot to those classes/specs instead of sharing wich would ofcourse be way to fair for them.
I just have to think that's a complete joke realy. It sure as hell made me laugh. Hell our 37k mana unbuffed holydin uses merlin's robe, yep, a piece of cloth :p.
Sad truth is that the higher armor classes have equal posibilities for BiS gear as theres only 1<--- like that. If that happens to be cloth then al I can say to the clothies is , tough luck, equal rights.
And this is comming from the only clas left almost that stil passes BiS gear to another(ranged weapons to a hunter, I'm a warrior :p)
And if this new system comes into play, what happens if a pally, druid and shammy are in the same group (it can happen), and they all roll on the same cloth gear. And you are the unfortunate druid that keeps losing, what happens?
You guessed it, another QQ post like this one, I keep losing to a pally that always seems to roll on cloth gear, we need a new system...........
You hybrid classes are getting more selfish by the minute I swear, we are sorry that Blizzard cannot cater to you three classes every need. Get over it guys and accept that fact that you roll on one piece of armor like everyone else.
I swear forums are a breatingground for morons /face to desk
you have the cookies, the rest gets old bread, ain't it logical we al want a cookie if bliz doesn't give us the cookies we want.
For the morons out there, cookie=good gear, old bread=bad gear...wich is just about al the mail and leather, sigh.
Refusing to let sombody gear up sickens me seriously.
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shakakoz
Why do u keep mentioning OFF SPEC? It's MAIN SPEC upgrades we're talking about here.
Off Spec was mentioned in the third post of the thread. Perhaps you should go back and actually read all the posts before deciding what we are talking about. In any case, you still haven't explained how you would prevent abuse under your system.
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Rubendesmet619
Ofcourse we're talking about PuG's only here as guilds have their own rules altogether.
Wich last time I checked lootrules were like this:
Mainspec=need
offspec=greed
none=pas.
What's so hard about that?
If it's an upgrade for DPS(I'm a DPS $%^&* yes and damn proud of it) I wil need and I wil look at the stats on it and not the armor, lol. As a full plate furywarrior atm(full Ilv 245(and some 258)) I can tell you that even heroic mobs tear me to shreds if the healer ain't careful, let alone raidtrash/bosses.
On my priest I love it when doing ToC25 PuG's that a moonkin goes on the run with a cloth piece and seeing a mage nerdraging :p.
Ow wait, we're talking about 5-men loot?
Sorry, not interesting, go run some ToC10/25+get some emblemgear realy., it's what my ele shaman did(+guildruns for leather/clothpieces)
People are still missing the point:
The old system was not unfair to clothies, it was flawed because it allowed people to 'need' roll on items they couldn't use.No, you are missing the point. The old system was unfair. No paly ever needs cloth. You where just taking because you could. It was unfair that a clothe wearer had to roll against everyone in the group while they could got called "ninja" and offten kicked from groups for rolling "need" on plate because they clearly could not use it.
The new system directly stops certain classes from obtaining viable upgrades. AGAIN. The new system does not STOP you from getting anything. For a change YOU now have to roll against everyone for some items and if you don't win you have to try again later.
Just like very one else.
The rest of your last post is the same argument you have been making for your little QQ.
No one is singling out any class. You are just no longer as free to use the "need" option for other peoples primary gear.
You now have to face the same odds as other for gear that is not your primary type.
If there is no one able to select "need" for the roll, it is because no one in the group needs it. Simple. So then you have to roll an a level playing field for it with the rest of the group. That is fair. Any other argument other wise is a desire for advantage over other players that is undeserved.
mmm, last time I checked on my warrior if I wanted somthing for offspec I could simply pres need if the tank doesn't want it, why can't druids/shamans/paladins do that? Any reason? Why so?
Also I LOVE how YOU are going to tell me what I need.
Almost as funny as that retri paladin today telling me I have better weapons then the one I was rolling for, this got told to me be a retridin running around with gear gemmed with +32AP gems and +24stam.
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