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Post by
hashmel
Hey now! Let's keep it to 1 person being bashed per thread shall we. I don't know MV's history with priests but from the looks of it-
"2 spells, both heal for the same amount and activate the GCD, 1 can crit and the other can't but is mana free and usable while moving at the cost of 2 talent points, where's the line."
-it was a reasonable question, didn't explore where it went after that.
Post by
144872
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Post by
hashmel
The pie has learned to communicate!
Post by
MegaVolt
Thanks foley and hash.
There were actually two arguments on the Priest board. One about the validity of Renew (my position was that Renew and PoH produce pretty much the same raw HPS so in a fight with consistent sub-critical damage Renew is as valid a healing spell to use as PoH while karlus insisted on Renew being always completely useless) and one about SoL (the one you quoted, hash).
I mentioned "hps" in my argument and a few people were unable to understand the basic difference between maximizing possible healing output by using spells that provide higher healing per cast and the hps that Recount will display. Even now karlus hasn't learned his lesson, still talking about healing meters when he thinks about hps ;) I guess his learning capabilities are about as developed as peipos.
@karlus: It should be painfully obvious that in my latest reply I was in fact imitating and thus mocking peipos posting style. I am not really surprised that you were unable to grasp this very basic rethorical device.
I'm actually curious who this "we" is you speak about.
Post by
hashmel
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Could that be the "we" they speak of? maybe there's some master computer pulling all the strings and Shia LaBeouf is the only one who can stop it.
/sigh...druid forums are pretty boring lately and threads like this just don't come along often enough.
Post by
karlusdavius
Thanks foley and hash.
There were actually two arguments on the Priest board. One about the validity of Renew (my position was that Renew and PoH produce pretty much the same raw HPS so in a fight with consistent sub-critical damage Renew is as valid a healing spell to use as PoH while karlus insisted on Renew being always completely useless) and one about SoL (the one you quoted, hash).
I mentioned "hps" in my argument and a few people were unable to understand the basic difference between maximizing possible healing output by using spells that provide higher healing per cast and the hps that Recount will display. Even now karlus hasn't learned his lesson, still talking about healing meters when he thinks about hps ;) I guess his learning capabilities are about as developed as peipos.
@karlus: It should be painfully obvious that in my latest reply I was in fact imitating and thus mocking peipos posting style. I am not really surprised that you were unable to grasp this very basic rethorical device.
I'm actually curious who this "we" is you speak about.
Once again you guys show your immaturity. Fact is, Megavolt, we (the priest board) brought up various ways to disprove your argument in a calm manner. You just chose to avoid all the criticism, thus making you as bad as pelpo or whatever he calls himself now.
I won't get into the details of it all, you can go find the thread yourself and look through it. I can grasp
rhetorical
devices, however as somebody who is a long time poster, replying with such devices should be above you. I guess you can't grasp basic professionalism or is that word not understood in your vocabulary? The sheer fact that you still feed a troll, is a shame to say the least.
Insulting me won't work anymore. Have a good day playing with your troll, I'd rather him here than on our forums.
Post by
MegaVolt
Once again you guys show your immaturity. Fact is, Megavolt, we (the priest board) brought up various ways to disprove your argument in a calm manner. You just chose to avoid all the criticism, thus making you as bad as pelpo or whatever he calls himself now.
I won't get into the details of it all, you can go find the thread yourself and look through it. I can grasp
rhetorical
devices, however as somebody who is a long time poster, replying with such devices should be above you. I guess you can't grasp basic professionalism or is that word not understood in your vocabulary? The sheer fact that you still feed a troll, is a shame to say the least.
Insulting me won't work anymore. Have a good day playing with your troll, I'd rather him here than on our forums.
This is kind of funny, especially since all you did was come here and insult me.
And no, you (neither you nor anyone else) did not "disprove" my argument in any way. I even showed you combat parses of extremely successful Renew Priests in fights with continuous sub-critical damage (e.g. Twin Valks), I did some napkin math to prove that Renew and PoH provide very similar raw HPS and you still wouldn't want to hear anything of it. Your mind was shut just like peipos here. Other, less bigheaded, people in that topic started to see the point after I showed the combat parses. You (and one other guy ... I actually forgot his name but I guess he will show up here sooner or later) on the other hand continued with pure trolling without any arguments whatsoever, just insults exactly like you did here. And you dare speak of "we" like you represent "the Priest board"? Lucky for the Priests you do not, there actually are smart people over there.
But I tend to not give up hope easily. Maybe you can still learn and everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. For example
this
is how a seriously discussion about HPS looks like (you know ... the way it should be, without some clueless people complaining about Recount). That is also what I was hoping to find when I was talking about Renew vs PoH on the Priest board. You should take a good look at skribs post about Rejuvenation vs Regrowth a few posts down in that topic, it's awesome and spot-on.
On a totally unrelated note: We seem to have lost peipo :( Did he go back to his crit Priest?
Post by
hashmel
My best guess is he wandered into the DK forums as it's his last post where he was promptly flamed, beaten, and banned for the 3rd(?) time.
Kid should've just stayed in his little playpen here.
Post by
LookOut
You don't need to heal yourself, the raid healer should take care of that. You as a tank healer should put beacon on one tank so you can heal both tanks at the same time.
Post by
karlusdavius
And no, you (neither you nor anyone else) did not "disprove" my argument in any way.
Yes, we did. Math doesn't mean it's better. Math doesn't take into account changing scenarios.
This is kind of funny, especially since all you did was come here and insult me.
Direct response to
After the way people reacted to my posts on the Priest forum I'm really not surprised that you could not convince him that he is wrong over there. Don't get me wrong, there were a few nice people with a brain who can respond in a serious manner (you were one of the smart ones btw) but with all that flaming and trolling noise around it ... well, I just hope we can do better here.
I even showed you combat parses of extremely successful Renew Priests in fights with continuous sub-critical damage (e.g. Twin Valks), I did some napkin math to prove that Renew and PoH provide very similar raw HPS and you still wouldn't want to hear anything of it.
I agreed actually. However my argument was that by the time it takes you to HoT up 5 people with renew, PoH has already done the work. We're not druids. Healing that was in one fight was great, but in 99% of other fights, it's lazy healing. Which brings me to your "HPS should look like argument" link. We have those discussions. It's turns when people like you cone im and start trying to see a priest like a druid. Which is what you did.
You complaining about trolling yet all you are doing here is supposedly exactly the same as what i did? so it hardly makes you the bigger person now, does it?
Oh, and i reported this thread. You post to me was pretty offensive and this topic in general has almost certainly damaged you shiny rep here.
I won't post here again. There's no point. Have fun
Post by
Celdhyrean
You don't need to heal yourself, the raid healer should take care of that. You as a tank healer should put beacon on one tank so you can heal both tanks at the same time.
Let me ask this, why?
If there is 2 tank healers assigned it feels like a waste healing both tanks with beacon since there is already 1 healer assigned on the other tank.You obviously haven't done any fight that is challenging for healers (Gormok 25 hm would show you what happens when you only put 1 healer per tank). Staying in the 10 man scenario (since you are talking about 2 healers), if 1 of the MT healers gets snobolded then the other has to do the work for both.
More generally, when you are tank healing as a paladin you are usually throwing out lots of big heals that are totally wasted on yourself since raid damage is mostly low and infrequent. Having the guide on the other tank helps everyone without putting you at risk (unless you like to stay in fire or something but that's stupid in itself). Do you really think that it's better to guide yourself so you can stay in aoe once every 5 minute or be able to heal several tanks at the same time (or raid + tank for FoL spamming fights) ?
I'll also answer the "health is useless, if the tank dies it's the healers fault" argument while i'm at it. Once again, Gormok 25 hm is a good example where tanks can easily get hit for over 60k in 0.2-0.4s (impale hit, impale dot, normal melee hit). No amount of healing is going to save the tank in such situations, the only things that will help are health and cooldowns (basically EH).
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