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Post by
Adamsm
exactly, that's why all he did was make heavy implications to them being placeholders. all he said was implying that they were just placeholders, he said nothing that would imply they weren't.
and that's all he could do.
so 90% chance is they are only placeholder animations....like he said blood elf/draenei blizzcon demo animations were placeholders, so why would the worgen and goblins be any different?I didn't see that; he made a small remark, then mentioned the Night/Blood Elf thing.... but again, he wouldn't imply anything either, as, read above, it's not worth his job to satisfy your curiosity.
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Post by
Adamsm
exactly, that's why all he did was make heavy implications to them being placeholders. all he said was implying that they were just placeholders, he said nothing that would imply they weren't.
and that's all he could do.
so 90% chance is they are only placeholder animations....like he said blood elf/draenei blizzcon demo animations were placeholders, so why would the worgen and goblins be any different?I didn't see that; he made a small remark, then mentioned the Night/Blood Elf thing.... but again, he wouldn't imply anything either, as, read above, it's not worth his job to satisfy your curiosity.
well, i just think, now dont be offended, i just think you're the type of person who can't take a hint......like this is just a glaringly obvious implication of them being just placeholders.
he can make implications and hints, just so long as they don't outright say what he's implying.
he clearly implied repeatedly that they were just placeholders, showing examples that further implyed what he was implying. I really don't see how you can't see it, but maybe you aren't the type to take a hint, and i don't mean that in a bad way.
I can take a hint.... and I can admit that it's probably place holders, more then likely it is. However, I don't believe a GM would risk his job for an off hand comment.
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Post by
Adamsm
you'd be surprised then ;).Aye, but not about this.
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Post by
Adamsm
I fail to see how revealing that the animations at the demo were only placeholders would be risking a job firing. it's not anything major.......as in they wouldn't make a forum post about it.....it's just a minor thing they'd change by beta and again by release.Doesn't matter, it could be as something as innocent as saying Graymane likes cheese... but it still goes against the non-disclosure, in that their not suppose to reveal anything about something still in the works, so, they can fire him/her without worry. They aren't suppose to comment on anything until it is officially released, that's how the real world works; that's why insider trading in the like are so serious.
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Post by
Vaeku
I don't understand why everyone is against Draenei Druids.
(1) The Draenei already have shamans and hunters. Both are in tune with nature (Shamanism is more with the elements, but the elements are a part of nature), and the Draenei learned hunting in Azeroth from the night elves (as evidenced by the taming lesson from the night elf hunter at Valaar's Berth).
(2) The Draenei want to undo all the damage that occurred when the Exodar crashed. They want to cleanse the islands of all the corruption/pollution from the crystals and dewbris.
(3) The Draenei may already be on the steps to Druidism. As I said before, at Vaalar's Berth there is a hunter trainer who is a night elf. Beside her is a druid trainer who is also a night elf. Now, you could argue that the druid trainer is there to help the Draenei with cleansing the islands. But why Azuremyst? Bloodmyst is far worse off and would need druidic help.
(4) The only relation we know of now between worgens and druidism is that some worgen and shapeshift and other worgen were summoned by the Scythe of Elune. Sure, some more information will be released later, but I don't see how they would be able to connect the dots. Not to mention they're able to be druids and warlocks.
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Post by
Adamsm
(1) The Draenei already have shamans and hunters. Both are in tune with nature (Shamanism is more with the elements, but the elements are a part of nature), and the Draenei learned hunting in Azeroth from the night elves (as evidenced by the taming lesson from the night elf hunter at Valaar's Berth).Aye, but Nature is only a part of the Wilds, while Shamanism deals with all 5 of the Elements.
(3) The Draenei may already be on the steps to Druidism. As I said before, at Vaalar's Berth there is a hunter trainer who is a night elf. Beside her is a druid trainer who is also a night elf. Now, you could argue that the druid trainer is there to help the Draenei with cleansing the islands. But why Azuremyst? Bloodmyst is far worse off and would need druidic help.Those are the envoys for the Night Elves. Yes Bloodmyst is worse, but it makes more sense to have a druid trainer near the main city for ease.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Besides, who says that come another expansion, they won't just open every class to every race?Now,
that
, I would actually oppose. It would mean Forsaken druids and draenei warlocks...and those are two out of a (fairly short) list of combos that I'd say really
are
inappropriate.
(To tell the truth, while I can see trolls—along with dwarves—eventually getting every class, I'd prefer if
neither
of my Tall Blues ever got mucked up with warlocks.)
Post by
Rankkor
hence why I said before, that draenei lack only 3 classes.
Warlocks and rogues are too dark, and gloomy, is just not fitting to the light-theme of their society.
druids would be a plausible choise, not that any draenei would worship elune, but I can tottaly see them honoring nature, or to put it in a diferent way, "Gaia" goddess of creation.
druids are a non-chaotic non-dark/gloomy class, as such is the only option.
but druids must be balanced out, the horde has 2, so the alliance must have 2.
of course, there is a way for draenei to have rogues aand/or warlocks.
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Night-elves HATE arcane magic (not to be confused by the arcane spells of druids like starfire) and yet they get mages.
why? because player night-elven mages will be of the Highbourne descent.
Dwarves don't practice shamanism, but the Dwarven shamans won't be ironforge dwarves, they will be Wildhammer dwarves who DO practice shamanism.
now I don't wanna go nostradamus-mode here and try to predict what will happen , I'm just saying that the ONLY way draenei get rogues or warlocks is if the player is from a new sub-faction that joins the draenei.
I'll make a simple example (this is completely made-up and in no way represents actual information whatsoever)
Man'ari Eredurim: a splinter faction of elite Legion operatives, (AKA rogues) sent as a taskforce to deal with the most cunning and dangerous assassination attemps.
these elite cadre of assassins is sent to assassinate Velen, but fail miserably.
velen who is willing to show mercy to everything and everyone decides to forgive these assassins, who are now without master, for they have failed the legion, and the legion does not tolerates failure.
they now reluctantly joined forces with their draenei brethren out of pure self-preservation, for without allies they will fall eventually to the claws of the legion they once served.
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now that faction I just made up above is most likely filled with flaws (I don't know if even velen is capable of forgiving a man'ari eredar, much less a fulll batallion of them, less alone do I know how forgiving is the legion to those that fail them, as archimonde was the one that punishes failure with death, but kil'jaeden is more of a "second chance" kinda leader.)
but the point remains, in that just as Dwarven shaman will be a diferent sub-faction of dwarves (wildhammer) and night-elven mages will be a diferent sub-faction of mages (highbourne) if blizz decides to add a dark class to draenei (warlock or rogue) they can opt for a diferent sub-faction of dark eredar that wish to either attone for their crimes or simply are fleeing the legion and need to self-preserve their life.
what do ya think of that guys?
Post by
Adamsm
Not exactly Rankkorr; the new Night Elf Mages are those being taught by the Highborne refugees in Dire Maul, but they are still going to be the Darnassian Night Elves. Same with the dwarves; their learning shamanism from either the Draenei(based on a comment made at Blizzcon) or the Wildhammers, but they'll still be considered Ironforge dwarves for all that it matters.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I don't understand why everyone is against Draenei Druids.I've seen a few different rationales behind it:
1) They're not native, and therefore can't bond properly with Azeroth's nature. (The usual justification given for this viewpoint, by the way, is the fact that orcs and ogres don't have druids.)
2) The person thinks giving draenei the druid class would ruin their whole concept, as they are followers of the Holy Light. (Again: Google "syncretism.")
3) The person sees it as some attack on worgen. (Now, I'll freely admit that the
only
thing I've seen of worgen that I've
liked
is their stealth animation. However, I'll be the first to say that my main gripe against worgen
druids
, specifically, is the fact that rolling one seems like a waste of a shiny new race.)
4) Connected to previous: "AMG, you CAN'T break teh dr00d ratio! It's just NOT DONE!" (Frankly, they should have thought about that before openly shafting draenei.)
5) The person just doesn't like draenei (which is deplorably common).
hence why I said before, that draenei lack only 3 classes.
Warlocks and rogues are too dark, and gloomy, is just not fitting to the light-theme of their society.
druids would be a plausible choise, not that any draenei would worship elune, but I can tottaly see them honoring nature, or to put it in a diferent way, "Gaia" goddess of creation.
druids are a non-chaotic non-dark/gloomy class, as such is the only option.
but druids must be balanced out, the horde has 2, so the alliance must have 2.
of course, there is a way for draenei to have rogues aand/or warlocks.
what do ya think of that guys?To tell the truth?
If it was between new draenei
lore
in Cata and waiting until the Horde got a new druid race (pandaren?) ...versus mucking up the Tall Blues with warlocks...I'd take the former. And while I think rogues would be somewhat plausible given a decent explanation, I don't think "redeemed man'ari" would be it. (By the way, I don't think demons
are
allowed redemption.)
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
they will never add any more class combo alterationsAnd how do you know that? Do you work for Blizzard? Or, rather...are you in charge of what will or will not go into
every
future expansion pack?
if they opened up all classes to all races, this game will officially have gone to the !@#$ter, and henceforth I, and 90% of wow players will quit.You're one player—and one who, going by your posting history here, has issues. Just because
you
would quit over it doesn't mean that "90% of WoW players" would. (For example, it would take playable murlocs to drive me off.)
And...how does the fact that
you
would quit (or so you say
now
) if they opened up all classes for all races,
prove
that Cataclysm is it? Sounds more like the idea just
bugs
you.
well if you want to roll a druid, you can always roll a tauren, night elf, troll or a worgen druid........How many times do I have to repeat the fact that I
am
rolling a troll druid? It's
Alliance
that's the problem.
My night elf druid has been sitting at a low level for some time now. And did you
seriously
just suggest that I roll a worgen? Of
any
class? Especially of a class that's not rogue, meaning that the one thing that I
like
so far about worgen would be a complete moot point?
I'll bet that back when all of the old gnome healer threads were active, you were alternately flaming people, loudly maintaining that it would never happen, and telling them to roll humans or blood elves or something. Because that's effectively what you're doing here.
Post by
Rankkor
they will never add any more class combo alterations, if they opened up all classes to all races, this game will officially have gone to the !@#$ter, and henceforth I, and 90% of wow players will quit.
yo dude, you can't predict the future, this is blizz's game, and if they want to they can add or remove whatever they want to, regardless of how the players feel about it.
with the current clientelle of wow (estimating to the 13 millions of players worldwide) is pretty hard (for not saying imposible) that the game sinks.
they already settled in, so this game aint going anywhere.
there is only 1 rule in wow: nothing is true, everything is permitted, nothing is written in stone.
thrall was warchief of the horde yesterday, everyone believed him to remain there forever and ever, but tomorrow he's gonna give away that position to garrosh, something imposible that few saw comming, I mean the most pacifist wise and noble orc in all of azeroth giving leadership of the horde to the most stupid vicious bloodthirsty and stubborn orc on azeroth? "that's imposible, no way" that's what I would had said if I hand't heard it from blizz itself.
so don't go tosssing arguments like "they will never " because this is blizz we're talking about and they are already (in)famous for their unpredictibility.
all of us expected esmerald dream or maelstrom to be the next expac, nobody saw cataclysm comming till it was leaked.
all of us expected that the leadership of the game would remain the same for ever and ever, but bolvar was replaced by varian and later killed and now turned to lava, varimatrhas was killed, cairne is soon to be killed or replaced, thrall is gonna get replaced, and NOBODY saw that comming (exept maybe the return of the king of stormwind cuz he can't remain missing forever)
nobody expected that the race of archimonde and kil'jaeden turned out to be the good guys and even end up joining the alliance, just as nobody expected blood-elves to join out of all the places, the horde, considering that the horde devastated quel'talas's forests on the second war.
nothing in this game is written in stone bro' everything, even the lore we hold closest to our hearts is subject to change without warning at any point.
hell if blizz wanted to they could make forsaken paladins (yhea that would be crazy and Stupid with a capital S, but it's their game, if they wanna doit they will doit)
is not like they're gonna go bankrupt and lose 13 million clients, you can't break adiction, its not posible (and even if a lot of people quit, so many join each day.......... and many of the quitters suffer from withdraw and eventually swallow the pride and cralw back in)
Edit: the only way this game would sink is if blizz screws up the lore AND a new better MMORPG comes out that atracts everyone and so, they leave warcraft and replace it with a new adiction, but so far nothing, no RPG in the market is as good as warcraft is, some are REALLY good, but none are better than WoW, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.
"Remember neo, the Warcraft has you"
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