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Post by
taurenmoo812
Darion probably won't become the Lich King; he's the leader of the Knights of the Ebon Blade
Actully, I don't get why he wouldn't be considered for it.
Think about it, whatever happens with this the new lich king is going to retain his free will from the corrupting influence of the armor, and who would be better suited them a deathknight who knows how to control the undead already, and his own army who know it the same. The ebon blade would thus keep the scourge in check.
Also, I like you sig.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I do believe that Bolvar is set to appear in icecrown at a very important moment. Not as a boss clearly, since they have been listed now, but certaining as the story of the battle at the frozen throne perhaps.
The issue I have with Bolvar becoming the new lich king, is that at his core, Bolvar is a leader of the alliance, despite having been more level headed then one such king, he was still dedicated to it. In order to make him to lich king blizzard would have to completely rewrite his character, that he would no longer stand with the alliance.. otherwise can you imagine it, Varians buddy Bolvar having control of the scourge, and if a war breaks out between both sides again, Varian asking his buddy to help? Its kind of unthinkable.
Post by
Adamsm
It leaves Bolvar to free to return to his king and the Alliance, to try get this idiotic war their fighting while the greater threats come out over with.
I don't see Bolvar as the new King just because it would be easier for the Soul in the Armour to take him over; he might have been holding out against the torture, but that would mean he's weakened and easier to manipulate as his defenses are down.
If they really have to do this crap two major things need to happen:
Frostmourne is destroyed, otherwise it will just suck the soul of the new champion like it did Arthas. And the Armour itself has to be cleansed of the current Soul inside it, whatever that soul is.
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taurenmoo812
Frostmourne is destroyed, otherwise it will just suck the soul of the new champion like it did Arthas. And the Armour itself has to be cleansed of the current Soul inside it, whatever that soul is.
I wouldn't want to rule out Ner'zul in that regard, because this started with him, and since his name hasn't even been mentioned in wotlk, it would be a big surprise to have him emerge as the corrupting influence behind all this, even when the lich king said in that Trag Highmountain story that Ner'zul is gone.
But, the most likely case is that the lich king is a creation of both ner'zuls soul and arthas's will, making a new entity from the two.
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Adamsm
Frostmourne is destroyed, otherwise it will just suck the soul of the new champion like it did Arthas. And the Armour itself has to be cleansed of the current Soul inside it, whatever that soul is.
I wouldn't want to rule out Ner'zul in that regard, because this started with him, and since his name hasn't even been mentioned in wotlk, it would be a big surprise to have him emerge as the corrupting influence behind all this, even when the lich king said in that Trag Highmountain story that Ner'zul is gone.
But, the most likely case is that the lich king is a creation of both ner'zuls soul and arthas's will, making a new entity from the two.
I honestly think it's what it appears to be: The Lich King, which had taken over both of the other minds inside the body after Arthas 'died'. I still believe that both Ner'zhul and Arthas don't exist in the mind anymore, that it's a new being created by all the darkness and corruption, that that's the reason why the King sat on the Throne for 7 odd years before finally making a move; it took it that long to 'grow up' and be the dominant personality. If the other two are still there and not 'dead', more then likely their chained to prison walls while the King drains their minds of everything they knew.
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taurenmoo812
Frostmourne is destroyed, otherwise it will just suck the soul of the new champion like it did Arthas. And the Armour itself has to be cleansed of the current Soul inside it, whatever that soul is.
I wouldn't want to rule out Ner'zul in that regard, because this started with him, and since his name hasn't even been mentioned in wotlk, it would be a big surprise to have him emerge as the corrupting influence behind all this, even when the lich king said in that Trag Highmountain story that Ner'zul is gone.
But, the most likely case is that the lich king is a creation of both ner'zuls soul and arthas's will, making a new entity from the two.
I honestly think it's what it appears to be: The Lich King, which had taken over both of the other minds inside the body after Arthas 'died'. I still believe that both Ner'zhul and Arthas don't exist in the mind anymore, that it's a new being created by all the darkness and corruption, that that's the reason why the King sat on the Throne for 7 odd years before finally making a move; it took it that long to 'grow up' and be the dominant personality. If the other two are still there and not 'dead', more then likely their chained to prison walls while the King drains their minds of everything they knew.
You know, I did consider starting a thread talking about those that say they think Arthas will find redemption after all this. I for one would be perfectly happy to see his soul suffer for it, after all the souls he and his undead consigned to oblivion (I paticually have a bitter taste in my mouth over Draenosh), just going on the words of what his father said in the 3.3 trailer, if King Terenas who is bound to the blade says what he said, its because he knows his son it beyond redemption.
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Adamsm
You know, I did consider starting a thread talking about those that say they think Arthas will find redemption after all this. I for one would be perfectly happy to see his soul suffer for it, after all the souls he and his undead consigned to oblivion (I paticually have a bitter taste in my mouth over Draenosh), just going on the words of what his father said in the 3.3 trailer, if King Terenas who is bound to the blade says what he said, its because he knows his son it beyond redemption.Heh, more then likely Terenas was talking to his son in Frostmourne; you know the first thing the blade did was tear his soul out, that's why he 'attacked' Maurdin.
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Post by
Adamsm
Arthas and Ner'Zhul's spirits lie in LK, but they spirits separated are Dead...No one really knows; Rise of the Lich King says the Armoured Figure watches as the boy(Arthas) dies from a sickness(aka cutting out his own heart and emotions) then he stabs Ner'zhul, and the old orc's body fades(aka is absorbed) and the Armour King sits on his throne, then in the real world, the Lich King begins to laugh.
So if we don't kill the LK with a Sword Strike, his Death Animation sure will.
His Helmet falls, he tries to reach it, says something I think, then Buh-Bye!
So if the Helmet falls, both of them Die. Then how can a New Lich King can be born, since you need Ner'Zhul's Power?You can stab the body all you want... your just hitting a corpse. The Lich King (whatever it is) is in the armour, not the physical body, that's why he reaches for the helm, trying to keep the body from turning into mulch.
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Post by
Ignjatwolf
In the Cataclysm trailer it is clearly stated that the fight with the lich king goes on. It's somewhere at the start
Post by
taurenmoo812
The Only Reasonable answer to "The End" is that all Undead DIE instead of rampaging. How can they still "live" without something to control them. It's like a Human trying to live without a Brain. Possible?
Maybe Uther was dead for toooooooooooo Long...
Well of course the only problem with that is to kill off all undead, lets say, if he who weres the armor can do that, where would that leave A: The forsaken and B: All the deathknights.
Nobody of the horde would commit to destroying the forsaken if they had that power, and any alliance member would have to kill there own allies in the deathknights for the same reason.
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Adamsm
So, if the current LK is killed, imo, the undead everywhere will just stop, all the minor liches, all the nerubians, all the ghouls, they'll just stop. Or, they dissentigrate right where they are because the power they are animated by has stopped flowing, so they have nothing to sustain them.Precisely. Some of the higher ups (Kel'Thuzad/Anub'arak level) will be able to keep moving and 'living' but the lesser creatures should freeze where they are... unless the final command of the Lich King was to go insane.
Post by
Daiemio
My own instinct tell me that after defeating the Lich king, Darion Mograine will pick up frostmourne, and spend an eternity on a frozen throne and try to command the dead to slaugher eachother, insted of fighting the living races.
I think that sounds like a fair idea for repention.
Post by
Monday
My own instinct tell me that after defeating the Lich king, Darion Mograine will pick up frostmourne, and spend an eternity on a frozen throne and try to command the dead to slaugher eachother, insted of fighting the living races.
I think that sounds like a fair idea for repention.
Frostmourne is shattered into a million pieces, (or it disintegrates).
Oh and what does darion need to repent from? It seems to me he's done a pretty good job of making everything he had done right again.
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Post by
Adamsm
Actually, from what I understood from books and other sources (don't ask), Frostmourne is now just an ordinary piece of metal with a pointy end and a handle, while Arthas does the soulsucking. I think that's why we'll get Shadowmourne instead of Frostmourne.
Uh... no, the entire point of Shadowmourne is a weapon to defeat Frostmourne, which still has all the soul stealing powers. I mean, the first soul it 'ate' was Arthas himself.
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Monday
Actually, from what I understood from books and other sources (don't ask), Frostmourne is now just an ordinary piece of metal with a pointy end and a handle, while Arthas does the soulsucking. I think that's why we'll get Shadowmourne instead of Frostmourne.
notice in the 3.3 cinematic Terenos says there are literally thousands of souls sucked and now kept in the blade.
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