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ArgentSun
Life really different when you are in position of power...
And killing kobolds requires one way of thinking. Defeating the Lich King - entirely another. I don't agree with many of things Varian decides, but I can understand him. Different people, different personalities.
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Adamsm
Will the stubborn leaders of Stormwind and the Horde ever recognize unity? Or will it forever be like the air battle against the two ships at the citadel? Will they ascend...
Or devolve?Neither; game play wise, war is intended. Lore wise; still too many hurt feelings and broken families. Look at World War 2, been almost 60 + years and yet still just mentioning it brings up a multitude of feelings and old hatreds. It's only been 30 years at most since the First War on Azeroth, the Humans vs Orcs, when Stormwind fell, the King was killed, and the people slaughtered.... time may heal all wounds, but it usually takes hundreds of years to do so.
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HiVolt
Unity is not something that is easily achieved. In order to achieve such a feat, one would have to look past many factors that affect individuals, rather than affecting peoples/factions as a whole. These factors are often very detrimental to a person on an emotional level, and as such cannot be thought through rationally. Logically, one would take the easiest route in order to accomplish a given goal. However, when emotional thought comes into play, the easiest route could be the hardest to accept, due to some detail or factor within the route being conflicting with the emotional need for justification/retribution/etc. of the individual making the decision.
Could anyone look King Varian in the eyes and tell him that looking at his father's assassination as pretense for
not
allying with the Horde is not the best route to take, and expect him to agree? No. It's too personal, too emotional of a factor to expect that answer. One can try to reason and weigh the consequences, but this will have a very small effect if any on such an emotional decision. True, it is often best to put one's needs aside in order to put the needs of their people first, but many times this is extremely hard to do.
On the other hand, who's to say that the Humans of Stormwind want this unity? Many of them would have suffered on a equal or greater level than that of Varian, so the emotional implication of a unity with the Horde would be either equal or greater.
However, when the need for unity, however loose a unity it is, presents itself as an absolute, it is usually accepted by all parties involved, although often grudgingly and never for long.
Basically, when it absolutely needs to happen, it will and not until then, and it won't ever last long.
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HiVolt
And killing kobolds requires one way of thinking. Defeating the Lich King - entirely another.
I was using the whole beginning quests thing as a perspective that we used to go from protecting ourselves to being brazen and defiant.
... time may heal all wounds, but it usually takes hundreds of years to do so.
But how is it that both Thrall and Jaina, in the Battle for the Undercity, and Fordragon and Saurfang at Wrathgate don't show harsh feelings for each other? I understand if Fordragon and Saurfang aren't vicious to each other because of the Battle against the Lich King, but the battle at Undercity was over with, and Stormwind practically stormed against the Horde, only to be stopped by Jaina's spell.
Well, the simple answer:
You have rules, from those rules there are exceptions. These often come about in very small numbers in very small timeframes, in very particular circumstances. Jaina and Thrall represent these exceptions. Garrosh, Varian, and pretty much every other member of the Horde and the Alliance are the rules, not the exceptions.
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Adamsm
But how is it that both Thrall and Jaina, in the Battle for the Undercity, and Fordragon and Saurfang at Wrathgate don't show harsh feelings for each other? I understand if Fordragon and Saurfang aren't vicious to each other because of the Battle against the Lich King, but the battle at Undercity was over with, and Stormwind practically stormed against the Horde, only to be stopped by Jaina's spell.Jaina is an exception, not a rule; she's mainly seen the Good Horde, and had few encounters with the Dark Horde. She knows what kind of people they are after Hyjal and the Theramore invasion, so she has reason to trust Thrall. Bolvar and Draenosh were more focused on the true enemy instead of old hatreds, and well, technically Saurfang jr is in the same boat as Garrosh, he's fresh from Outland and has no real reason to hate the Humans, so he can see working beside them.
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Skreeran
Amen, bruthuh. I used to play human. The human starting zone (including Westfall, Redridge and Duskwood) remains my favorite starting zone in the game. I like Varian in the comics...
And then I saw the Undercity battle on the Beta. I think that might have been the point I finally switched for good.
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HiVolt
Hooray for being the first to post the "Exception, not the rule" explanation!
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451455
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HiVolt
Mr. Garrosh represents how the Horde really feels.
Not entirely.
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229054
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HiVolt
There is no new world, last I checked, this is still Azeroth.
I'm quite he meant that the world is changing, Cataclysm ya know =D.
Or that worldview dynamically changes with society, since the Cataclysm hasn't happened yet and all.
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HiVolt
Not entirely.
I know, no offence was intended.
But naturaly, quests like the one involving assassinating the Prince of Stromgarde during a time we were suposed to be at peace kind of bugs me.
Well, technically Stromgarde was not a part of the Alliance at that point. Unless I'm mistaken. I was under the impression that after the Third War, there was no longer an Alliance existing in Lordaeron save for the few remaining High Elves and the Wildhammer Dwarves.
I were wrong.
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Not entirely.
I know, no offence was intended.
But naturaly, quests like the one involving assassinating the Prince of Stromgarde during a time we were suposed to be at peace kind of bugs me.
Well, technically Stromgarde was not a part of the Alliance at that point. Unless I'm mistaken. I was under the impression that after the Third War, there was no longer an Alliance existing in Lordaeron save for the few remaining High Elves and the Wildhammer Dwarves.
Aye, far as I know, Stromgarde is still 'neutral' as the Trollbanes never rejoined after the splintering.
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