Best time to summon gargoyle, procs? Unholy Pres?

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Post by svl007

gargoyle checks your stats at point you summon him and keeps those stats. hence why best moment to pop is when you have most buffs (heroism, speed pot, trinket procs, engi gloves), doesn't matter if they run out 1 sec later, just need to have em when you summon em.

so best moment to summon is when you have a lot of buffs, but without waisting an opportunity to summon him. basicly summoning him twice 'unbuffed' is better then once 'buffed'.
usually that ends up right at start (as all your trinkets proc then, but don't use pot here) and 2nd time when heroism is popped (use pot here and all other cd's you have here)

as to your other question doubt unholy presence has an influence on gargoyle, but didn't check it so not sure

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Post by dervasavred

The Potion of Speed matters more when you're under the effect of Heroism/Bloodlust, though it's not an impressive amount. Honestly, I've been more curious about getting some Insane Strength Potions and trying those out to see the effect on the Garg but I have yet to do so.

Of course, the Potions of Speed may well work out to be more personal DPS if you've got a pretty decent set of gear for Unholy, since Haste is so nice nowadays (until 3.3 anyway). It's the matter of does 500 Haste for 15 seconds beat the 120 Str for 15 seconds? Further, how does the ISP take into account for BoK or Unholy Strength? Do BoK and US scale automatically with new procs and effects?

EDIT: After some math and testing, BoK and US stack multiplicatively, along with Ravenous Dead's 3%, so ISP yields 156 Strength under those conditions. The only matter left, really is to figure out how much personal DPS that is worth versus the 500 Haste.

My gut feeling is the ISP will work better for the pre-pot on the pull and the PoS will work better during BL/Heroism for the Gargoyle.

EDIT 2: EJ stat weights for 3.3 (since it looks like it hits this Tues or next): Str is 3.05 points each and Haste is 1.53 points.

So an ISP is worth:

120 Str * 3.05 points = 366

Now, obviously, just from first glance, PoS is obviously stronger (500*1.53? Come on.)

500 Haste * 1.53 points = 765

I think I'll stick with the Haste potions.

My other question is if you can use the Spiced Mammoth Treats on your Garg in combat. My feeling is no but I think it's worth a shot.

Best time to summon gargoyle, procs? Unholy Pres?

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