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Sylvanas being 'evil'
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HiVolt
Since good and evil are questions of one's own morality, I have to pose the question. If you were in Sylvanas' shoes, would you do the same thing?
Take into account that you would have watched countless numbers of your own people killed, without being able to protect them as was your charge. Also, after you were raised into undeath, many of them would have died by your hand.
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taurenmoo812
An interview with Chris Metzen, Metzen revealed that Sylvanas was ordered to move south into Gilneas because the Horde wanted a port in northern Lordaeron. Metzen mentioned that Sylvanas was "in the dog house" with the Horde after the Wrathgate events and has to move when the leadership of the Horde orders her to do so. That's why the Forsaken are pushing into Gilneas.
Guess that speaks for itself then. Frankly it wouldn't surprise me anything if Garrosh had something to do with this too, but more then likely he wouldn't care about the details, it would just be a direct order 'Take the port from the alliance, thats my order!'.
Still rather then it turning into a Garrosh thread...
Hmm, intresting Metzen saying that. Maybe your story of the forsaken not being part of the horde in the future is coming closer then we first thought Adam. Of course its not like those who have forsaken characters would just be blown off, but a split of some kind between the more honorable rank of forsaken maybe.
i would do it exactly the same except i wouldve killed the dreadlord a little after the founding of undercity
Hee, kinda makes you think, if Vari knew years later he'd be used as a cop out for someone to pin the blame on the wrath gate for, and getting wtfpwned by Thrall, if he'd have stuck around back then.
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Adamsm
Heh, that's right off Sylvanas page under the Cata header.
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HiVolt
If they are following orders, they are beginning to prove their loyalty to the Horde. If Sylvanas wanted to leave at that point, she would likely have taken out the Kor'kron watching over the Forsaken, and moved on her own volition into Gilneas.
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taurenmoo812
If this is a concept of horde loyalty though, the very fabric of the hordes 'noble savage' title is going to come under strain with Garrosh anyway. Think about it, if Garrosh is the kind of leader to force warfair, then this would work perfectly with Sylvanas, who could then just say she did what she did because its what the warchief (shiver... garrosh as warchief) commands.
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yes but we cant be quite certain until we see what happens when we kill arthas
if the forsaken stop their revenge madness
or if they turn on the humans
im not one to speculate
Isn't that half the fun of it though, speculating these things.
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HiVolt
Well, not all of Horde society is built off of the noble savage idea. The Forsaken may be ugly and gross, but they are far from savage in a civilization sense. I don't even have to point that out with the Blood Elves.
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hymer
Since good and evil are questions of one's own morality, I have to pose the question. If you were in Sylvanas' shoes, would you do the same thing?
Take into account that you would have watched countless numbers of your own people killed, without being able to protect them as was your charge. Also, after you were raised into undeath, many of them would have died by your hand.
We may decide to say there is no evil, as long as there is a backstory. We could talk about 'evil' just being misguided, misunderstood, misunderstanding and more like stupidity than anything else. But these are what philosophers and psychologists in our world may talk about. They don't have to deal with fel corruption, necromantic undeath, etc.
I feel quite comfortable with labeling Sylvanas as evil, no matter how fractured her psyche is. Her reasons are selfish, her methods are sadistic, and her end goal is global annihilation. Since we can't put her in psychiatric care, let's call her evil. And then bow down to her and serve her with all of our black little undead hearts!
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HiVolt
Since good and evil are questions of one's own morality, I have to pose the question. If you were in Sylvanas' shoes, would you do the same thing?
Take into account that you would have watched countless numbers of your own people killed, without being able to protect them as was your charge. Also, after you were raised into undeath, many of them would have died by your hand.
We may decide to say there is no evil, as long as there is a backstory. We could talk about 'evil' just being misguided, misunderstood, misunderstanding and more like stupidity than anything else. But these are what philosophers and psychologists in our world may talk about. They don't have to deal with fel corruption, necromantic undeath, etc.
I feel quite comfortable with labeling Sylvanas as evil, no matter how fractured her psyche is. Her reasons are selfish, her methods are sadistic, and her end goal is global annihilation. Since we can't put her in psychiatric care, let's call her evil. And then bow down to her and serve her with all of our black little undead hearts!
I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that the words "good" and "evil" are completely relative in a moral sense. If one were to place themselves into the shoes of the person being labeled as "evil" or as "good", it would call into question what they would do in the same circumstance. Without understanding of why a person does something, we can't truly understand the nature of morality.
I'm not saying it's wrong to label Sylvanas as evil, I just want everyone to realize what they are saying when they label her as such. Let's face it, if all of us had to go through what she went through, there's a good chance we'd all be at least a little evil.
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HiVolt
Since good and evil are questions of one's own morality, I have to pose the question. If you were in Sylvanas' shoes, would you do the same thing?
Take into account that you would have watched countless numbers of your own people killed, without being able to protect them as was your charge. Also, after you were raised into undeath, many of them would have died by your hand.
No, I would not.
So, you wouldn't take any means necessary to avenge your fallen people, the taking of your own life, and the slavery that was forced upon both you and your people to kill The Lich King?
You wouldn't hold humanity responsible for what had been allowed to happen in Lordaeron?
Forgive me if I don't think that anyone would forgive and forget in this situation.
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Skreeran
Its warlike, but I don't recall them waging war on other human tribes, just troll tribes (Who were attacking them).No, they very much made war on the other human tribes.
The night elves and high elves also made war and took lands that weren't theirs.
Lies
That's a warlock quest...
That's not exactly a full scale offensive.
I'd consider Warlocks a special case, since a good portion of the time, they actually are unapologetically evil.
Its a dead dream. Worgen aren't evil.That remains to be seen.
After all, Forsaken fostered their hatred in humanity after being oppressed and hunted by the Scarlet Crusade, perhaps the Worgen could develop a similar "evil" streak in retaliation to the Forsaken...
Your confusing her with someone who actually is a hero, her sister Alleria.You read Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal, right? Sylvanas was a hero in the Second war (and the Third war, for that matter), and so was Alleria. Although my opinion of Alleria really dropped in BtDP.
I'd say Sylvanas and Alleria are both fairly insane now.
And my final thought in this post is that, like I said, I am 100% certain, with all my heart, that there are Forsaken out there that are just trying to survive. Even if it's just 10% (and honestly, I'd guess that it's more), that's still makes genocide reprihensible.
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