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Post by
Arathian
Obviously lorewise trial of the champion and crusader happened only once. My question is,who won? The horde or the alliance? I am pretty sure I've heard that the allies killed Yoggy so it would make sense if horde won this one
Post by
Skreeran
Ulduar was conquered by neither the Alliance nor Horde.
The Tournament, likewise, has no canon ending, but most likely it would be considered a victory of members of the Argent Crusade.
Post by
Arathian
Ulduar was conquered by neither the Alliance nor Horde.
The Tournament, likewise, has no canon ending, but most likely it would be considered a victory of members of the Argent Crusade.
Okey, so WHO conquered ulduar?
Also you mean that, lorewise, the guys that did TotCr were members of the argent crusade and not part of the horde/alliance? If yes,could you source it please.
Post by
Patty
Ulduar was conquered by neither the Alliance nor Horde.
The Tournament, likewise, has no canon ending, but most likely it would be considered a victory of members of the Argent Crusade.
Okey, so WHO conquered ulduar?
Kirin Tor, Explorer's league + adventurers (us).
Post by
Kalken
Ulduar was conquered by neither the Alliance nor Horde.
The Tournament, likewise, has no canon ending, but most likely it would be considered a victory of members of the Argent Crusade.
Okey, so WHO conquered ulduar?
Kirin Tor, Explorer's league + adventurers (us).
Quite right. As the Ulduar trailer explains, the Alliance and Horde ignored Brann/Rhonin/Jaina's warning and withheld military support due to political differences and to further their campaign in Icecrown. Explorer's League forces and Kirin Tor forces asset the players in breaking down the front door of Ulduar, and then kind of sit back and watch. Players are essentially acting on their own, and are considered hired mercenaries for the Ulduar assault.
The Argent Tournament on the other hand, was designed as a way to determine the strongest forces within the ranks of what will become the Ashen Verdict (Argent Crusade, Ebon Blade, Alliance, Horde). The strongest forces would then become the strike force that storms Icecrown Citadel, as sending an army will most likely end with the death and undeath of the entire force. Though only one "team" of combatants was able to participate (as the Menagerie is killed, Wilfred Fizzlebang is fried, and the Twin Val'Kyr are slain) I am sure the team that won is not the only that will join the Ashen Verdict's assault.
After all, we don't see Muradin or Saurfang competing at these games, but they will play important parts when the time comes to "TEAR DOWN THE WALLS OF ICECROWN"
Post by
Adamsm
Technically, in the case of the Crusader.... no one 'won', the final battle never occurred as the Lich King showed up and revealed Anub had dug a new feeding chamber under it.
As for Ulduar; next time someone turns in the Algalon item, listen to Rhonin's speech; he talks about both factions assisting to end the threat of the Death God and the massive Planet Reset.
Post by
Kalken
Technically, in the case of the Crusader.... no one 'won', the final battle never occurred as the Lich King showed up and revealed Anub had dug a new feeding chamber under it.
As for Ulduar; next time someone turns in the Algalon item, listen to Rhonin's speech; he talks about both factions assisting to end the threat of the Death God and the massive Planet Reset.
I believe the Val'Kyr were meant to be the final challenge in the Trial of the Crusader as Tirion's speech sounds finite rather than an introduction to the next challenge;
"Highlord Tirion Fordring yells: A mighty blow has been dealt to the Lich King! You have proven yourselves able bodied champions of the Argent Crusade. Together we will strike at Icecrown Citadel and destroy what remains of the Scourge! There is no challenge that we cannot face united!"
After killing Anub'arak he has no voice acting, but explains in big red text;
"Highlord Tirion Fordring yells: Champions, you're alive! Not only have you defeated every challenge of the Trial of the Crusader, but thwarted Arthas directly! Your skill and cunning will prove to be a powerful weapon against the Scourge. Well done! Allow one of my mages to transport you back to the surface!"
As with Ulduar though, Rhonin's speech only mentions "comrades" in Ulduar. The Ulduar trailer implies pretty heavily that the Alliance and Horde military have nothing to do with it.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:All_Is_Well_That_Ends_Well
Post by
ArgentSun
Here is how I see it - and how I've always seen those things. World of Warcraft has history only in the context of
you
playing it.
You
and your 9/24 buddies went to Ulduar, a little rebelliously, acting against your military leader's order, because you figured an Old God chilling there is probably a bad idea. You competed in the Argent Tournament, and everyone before you saw a slightly different version of the Trial - there was no Anub'arak. If you've looked carefully, you would have noticed that it's really easy to give each attending group of champions a different boss. There are quite a few gigantaurs, jormungars, and yetis in Northrend - it's absolutely random that you happened to fight Gormok the Impaler (instead of, say, Braggdar the Gutspiller, Frehthar the Headsmasher, or Traddran the Snobold Lover). It's absolutely random that you happened to fight Acidmaw and Dreadscale (as opposed to any two of Firespit, Greenback, Acidtooth, Flamegut, or whatever). You get the idea.
The other bosses? Fizzlebang was invited to summon a Doomguard. It might have worked dozens of times before your unlucky group got in - and an Eredar lord decided to sneak in. The third encounter was supposed to be your group vs. a bunch of Argent Crusade champions - those at least are plenty. The twin Val'kyr were meant to be the last encounter for the fight, and as you know, the Val'kyr tend to attack the Tournament Grounds pretty frequently. How hard would it be to capture a few during each attack? You don't assume there were Eydis and Fjola, and then a bunch of Val'kyr all named
Vengeful Val'kyr
? And, of course, you got to be the lucky folks to get the Lich King show up and crash the
party
floor.
So back to the original question now... If you take the history of WoW 20 years from now, you need to look at it as if there were no other players - no other heroes. Only you and your buddies. You were the ones that sweated over almost everything that happened to Azeroth. You were the ones that went and killed Old Gods, $%^&ed princes, confused ex-shamans ex-warlocks, and annoyed demons. There were probably quite a few people that helped on the way - but their names don't get to be remembered in history (well, neither do yours, but that's details). When Rhonin bragged about some brave heroes saving the entire world, he didn't mean the thousands of players kicking Algalon's ass. He meant you and your team.
In a way, history in WoW is one big instance. There is you, and there are the others. You get to do the cool stuff. The others get to prepare the stage. For you.
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Post by
Arathian
Here is how I see it - and how I've always seen those things. World of Warcraft has history only in the context of
you
playing it.
You
and your 9/24 buddies went to Ulduar, a little rebelliously, acting against your military leader's order, because you figured an Old God chilling there is probably a bad idea. You competed in the Argent Tournament, and everyone before you saw a slightly different version of the Trial - there was no Anub'arak. If you've looked carefully, you would have noticed that it's really easy to give each attending group of champions a different boss. There are quite a few gigantaurs, jormungars, and yetis in Northrend - it's absolutely random that you happened to fight Gormok the Impaler (instead of, say, Braggdar the Gutspiller, Frehthar the Headsmasher, or Traddran the Snobold Lover). It's absolutely random that you happened to fight Acidmaw and Dreadscale (as opposed to any two of Firespit, Greenback, Acidtooth, Flamegut, or whatever). You get the idea.
The other bosses? Fizzlebang was invited to summon a Doomguard. It might have worked dozens of times before your unlucky group got in - and an Eredar lord decided to sneak in. The third encounter was supposed to be your group vs. a bunch of Argent Crusade champions - those at least are plenty. The twin Val'kyr were meant to be the last encounter for the fight, and as you know, the Val'kyr tend to attack the Tournament Grounds pretty frequently. How hard would it be to capture a few during each attack? You don't assume there were Eydis and Fjola, and then a bunch of Val'kyr all named
Vengeful Val'kyr
? And, of course, you got to be the lucky folks to get the Lich King show up and crash the
party
floor.
So back to the original question now... If you take the history of WoW 20 years from now, you need to look at it as if there were no other players - no other heroes. Only you and your buddies. You were the ones that sweated over almost everything that happened to Azeroth. You were the ones that went and killed Old Gods, $%^&ed princes, confused ex-shamans ex-warlocks, and annoyed demons. There were probably quite a few people that helped on the way - but their names don't get to be remembered in history (well, neither do yours, but that's details). When Rhonin bragged about some brave heroes saving the entire world, he didn't mean the thousands of players kicking Algalon's ass. He meant you and your team.
In a way, history in WoW is one big instance. There is you, and there are the others. You get to do the cool stuff. The others get to prepare the stage. For you.
pretty good POV. But still,blizzard MUST have announced some official lore. I am pretty sure they did all the previous times. So why not now?
Post by
taurenmoo812
Who won?
Simple, the goblins of the steamwheedle cartel of course. Horde buys there gear, alliance buys there gear, horde and alliance blow each other up with the same gear, goblins profit.
(and don't give the whole 'goblins are part of the horde now' reasoning here, its a different faction to the cartel)
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