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Post by
gre85
Hi All,
I wanna know which one will win at 1x1 pvp if the gear lvl is same .
tnx :)
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spcmack
Spec dependant, but generally its the shaman. A survival hunter can give an elemental a run for his money...If you can keep interupting Lava Burst...Your still in the game...they still might get you with lightning, but hey, at least you didnt get globaled...but enhancement...those @#$%ing wolves...you cant even kite them until the wolves wear off, because the wolves are too fast...
Beast Mastery against enhancement MIGHT be able to pull a win, just because its really going to be a dps race, and beast within/beastial wrath might burn them down before it wears off, and wouldnt have to worry about silly earthbinds...
Resto is the same story as any heals class these days. They are geared to keep a tank up when he is being hit for 20k every 3 seconds. The only thing you can do is A: catch them with a almost luck related series of interupts, from racials, a pet, and either survivals scatter shot/wyvern combo...or a MM silence...or B: stand out of range of their totems, and shoot them until they run out of mana...having your pet target their totems...its really more button pressing intensive than you would think...
Regardless, every single one of those fights could swing either way, depending on who notices who first, assuming world pvp...in a duel your just boned...
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Wildhorn
SV hunter will win.
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spcmack
for a pvp fight between two classes of the same armor type and gear level...
all it comes down to is player skill, really.
Spcmack says it would come down to spec, which has some validity, but in the end, if a 2200 arena shaman is fighting a huntard who got lucky in VoA... sham-WOW!
If a clever hunter with a quick hand for traps and CC fights an ebay shammy... HEADSHOT!
Armor class has next to nothing to do with this match up. Vast majority of shaman damage is magic = armor ignoring.
You also missed possibly the most important aspect of this match up...this isnt a DPS V DPS fight. Were not talking warrior V rogue, or mage V lock. Shamans of any spec pump out a good chunk of heals in a pinch. Resto obviously. Enhancement, again those #$%^ing wolves..., and elemental, who is still stacking SP.
Skill has much less to do with this fight than dumb luck. In a duel, the best hunter around, is going to have trouble with a moderately retarded enhancement shaman. Not that i care about duels, they are retarded.
The only thing this thread should count for is arena, bg, and world pvp. In all of those, the biggest deal is who targets who first.
In world pvp one of two things is going to happen, nearly every time. The hunter will be standing there looting something, and ZOMG theres wolves biting my ass, or what is that big red thing flying at me...or the shaman will be standing there picking a flower or what not, and ZOMG why is that Crab pinching my ass..., and why do I have all these dots? and why am i exploding every half second?
In arena, the teams will run out, they will give each other the cursory once over, one of them will realize the other is targeting them, hopefully before the ZOMG the wolves!
Bgs...who cares...your going to get killed by something at somepoint, and its pretty damn unlikely your going to be 1 on 1 then too. If the elemental shaman is in the AV tower, your never...ever...ever...going to get him out of it on your own, send in a warrior.
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Wildhorn
@spcmack: OP said 1v1. So talking about arena is pointless. BG too I would say because if you 1v1 in BG, you are already losing. This leave duel and world. So try to use your brain and imagine that both are aware of each others and the fight start with everybody with 100% hp and all their cooldowns.
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@spcmack: OP said 1v1. So talking about arena is pointless. BG too I would say because if you 1v1 in BG, you are already losing. This leave duel and world. So try to use your brain and imagine that both are aware of each others and the fight start with everybody with 100% hp and all their cooldowns.
I hold positions on my own all the time, because i like to mostly, so I encounter an ass ton of 1v1 engagements in bgs...you would be suprised how long one guy can hold the bridge for the alliance...especially a hunter...
And in arenas, its not that uncommon to have 1 guy riding your toon, just to $%^& you off, ESPECIALLY...if your a hunter.
Flame on bro...
Anyway. Again. Because you guys missed it, and i was busy this weekend...
Enhancement sees hunter, at same time, or before, any spec, enhancement wins (assuming he can get his wolves out.)
Elemental, IF hunter has him targeted during Lava Burst, meaning he saw him before he died, its a level playing field.
Resto, will take a long damn time to kill, assuming they stand there and try to heal through it. Regardless of tactic this fight will take a while. Either the shaman is going to chase the hunter throwing heals, weak melee, and the occasional oh yeah i have offensive spells to. Throw in a totem of fireball chucking, and the shaman may well beat down the hunter, who has no chance of healing through the damage. OR he is just going to heal through it, until your character is killed during some terrible cataclysm...something else im curious about there...
what if your toon is logged out right where they like decimate the map? will you log in falling? or will they port everyone to a city or something pre patch...
Anyway. Luck applies all the time in pvp. Anything can tip the balance in a fight like this, that is alot closer in reality than it is on paper. A 3 second lag spike? Hunter win. World pvp? Where 1 guy is pretty much always an antognist, and the other guy is just chilling out? Well if our antagonist through on his pvp gear, and the other guy didnt, guess who wins? On the other hand, if you pick a fight, and realize to late that the guy is grinding in his full S7 gear...you might be a little boned. Your cat jumps on the keyboard. Your kid starts crying, and you have to go throw candy at them. The girl you have handcuffed in the closet starts crying, and you have to put the ball gag back in her mouth. Is the shaman a tauren? did he ROFLstomp you? Same question for the hunter? are your wolves all dazed and &*!@ while your taking an exploding arrow barrage?
Im bored. I am going to go take a &*!@, go home, log into wow, and see how many times I can successfully remove a shaman from the crowd, and kill him 1v1. Im thinking ill get alot of successful separations. (since if i was a shaman, i would have ZERO quams about going 1v1 with a hunter) but not so many wins. i will get out the old wardialer, just in case the shaman im fighting has a girl in his closet, and i happen to ring her cell. who says you cant make your own luck :P
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Wildhorn
Anyway. Luck applies all the time in pvp. Anything can tip the balance in a fight like this, that is alot closer in reality than it is on paper. A 3 second lag spike? Hunter win. World pvp? Where 1 guy is pretty much always an antognist, and the other guy is just chilling out? Well if our antagonist through on his pvp gear, and the other guy didnt, guess who wins? On the other hand, if you pick a fight, and realize to late that the guy is grinding in his full S7 gear...you might be a little boned. Your cat jumps on the keyboard. Your kid starts crying, and you have to go throw candy at them. The girl you have handcuffed in the closet starts crying, and you have to put the ball gag back in her mouth. Is the shaman a tauren? did he ROFLstomp you? Same question for the hunter? are your wolves all dazed and &*!@ while your taking an exploding arrow barrage?
Or you know, an atomic bomb could explode on your house. Or maybe your opponent do an heart attack. Seriously. You cant take into consideration exterior factors like that to determine which class > the other one.
You sound like the kind of guy who blame everything but himself when he lose a fight.
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Anyway. Luck applies all the time in pvp. Anything can tip the balance in a fight like this, that is alot closer in reality than it is on paper. A 3 second lag spike? Hunter win. World pvp? Where 1 guy is pretty much always an antognist, and the other guy is just chilling out? Well if our antagonist through on his pvp gear, and the other guy didnt, guess who wins? On the other hand, if you pick a fight, and realize to late that the guy is grinding in his full S7 gear...you might be a little boned. Your cat jumps on the keyboard. Your kid starts crying, and you have to go throw candy at them. The girl you have handcuffed in the closet starts crying, and you have to put the ball gag back in her mouth. Is the shaman a tauren? did he ROFLstomp you? Same question for the hunter? are your wolves all dazed and &*!@ while your taking an exploding arrow barrage?
Or you know, an atomic bomb could explode on your house. Or maybe your opponent do an heart attack. Seriously. You cant take into consideration exterior factors like that to determine which class > the other one.
You sound like the kind of guy who blame everything but himself when he lose a fight.
LOL
Heres the moral of the story im painting for you here. You can be the most skilled guy on your realm and get ran the #$%^ over by a scrub in greens. It can happen. It does happen. You equate the skill of the player as deciding factor in a class V class engagement. I equate the luck of Individual A V the probability that individual B is terrible at pvp. Regardless of all ass clownery. This class V class is in reality so damn close for 2 skilled players, that the RNG for a string of crits is going to apply more towards the win, than a class difference between 2 equally geared and skilled players.
My hunter requires a string of proccs to really make people fall down. Greatness is a chance on damage/heals/So You Think You Can Dance voting results (thanks to guy on wow.com, my new favorite quote). LnL is on a proc, sure I can force the proc, but only if the other guy steps on a trap, otherwise im waiting on a chance to proc from Black Arrow.
Feign Death CAN BE RESISTED. that means there is a chance my attempt to FD interupt a Lava Burst may do nothing. luck applying to a 12k lava burst? you betcha. is that something my $80 mouse with the 78 high speed programmable buttons and my nifty duelist title is going to stop? probably not.
End state. Shaman V Hunter. Who wins? ask the 3k variables. I suspect the OP is a troll for starting this in the first place. Rocks paper scissors, both are scissors. Lets call it a draw, lock this thread, and move onto something more productive...Like who would win on jeopardy, without special equipment, Steven Hawking, or Hellen Keller?
Post by
Wildhorn
Then your hunter sucks. I play skillfully my hunter and I beat shaman often. To be successful in PvP you need to know how to counter opposing class.
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spcmack
Then your hunter sucks. I play skillfully my hunter and
I beat shaman often
. To be successful in PvP you need to know how to counter opposing class.
I label you troll.
Common knowledge: There are more bad pvpers than there are good pvpers...
Practical use: Find ten random shamis...5 of them are terrible at pvp, maybe never even tried it...2 are good, 2 are superb, 1 is elite (for the sake of this metric, and declaring him in the top 90%, by virtue of being the best of these 10)
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say, hey, you are a good-superb hunter (same place i believe i fall) and can therefore beat the 7-9 shamans in the same skill bracket, or below, your own...realistically of course your not going to beat every shaman as geared and as good as you...just like they wont always beat you...
From within the metric of 10 shamans, and 10 hunters, you therefore are playing at the skill level of the top 16-18 players, and only 2-4 of this random sampling will beat you consistently. From your point of view, it appears that hunters are the dominant class...from my outside the box interpretation of this, Im going to go ahead and say, if you played a shaman, you would probably play it nearly as well, and would then assume shamans are the elite class, because you will beat 7-9 of the 10 random hunters you would find to base your opinion on.
I stand by luck being the governing factor in this arangement. Yes the better you are, the less likely you are to run into an equally geared and skilled opponent, but your still going to, and you cant control it. The end results from this fight will also be much less class derived, than spec derived.
happy trolling
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