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Post by
Zenanor
And lastly... the killing blow...
We have Saurfang.
Well we have William! The little boy who steal dollies!
Post by
barthem
well horde will get a the sucidebombers race(goblin sappers) so i gues the alliance would have some troubel with them to
Post by
Adamsm
I was going to comment, but seeing you put that Magni would defer to Varian....... I've decided not to. Your one of those who sees the Alliance as this good guy faction, and the Horde are just savages, so there no real point in putting in something different.
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Post by
R1TeR
Garrosh's faction:Some of the best warriors in the horde
Fixed
Post by
Skreeran
Garrosh's faction:Some of the best warriors in the horde
FixedI think he means that if he was in control, he would sort it out into the factions he said, and I tend to agree.
And yeah, Horde seems to have the political struggle bug this expansion... :P
Although I suspect Blizzard won't have things just fine and dandy for the Alliance, either. Toss Worgen and their pushy leader into the mix, and you may very well have instability on the Alliance's part as well.
Post by
Zenanor
Yeah, Greymane really has temper and he also
belives
believed the didn't needed the rest of the Alliance and therefore building a big wall...
Isn't that kinda childish?
Post by
Skreeran
Not to mention the fact that he was right up there with Alterac in the "I should be in charge because I know what's best always" group.
I think he and Varian could butt heads quite often in this expansion, as long as they disagree about something, (anything).
On the other hand, Genn was pro-genocide for the orcs, so he and Varian might get along just fine... :P
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Conclusion(if there's any): Both sides are pretty much in a stalemate. Including military power and unification. The only thing that seems to shift the balance, however, is how the Alliance outnumbers the Horde.
In terms of it, I'm not sure this is the case anymore. The horde as it stands in cataclysm now is made up of 6 different races, the largest being orcs, followed by tauren. The forsaken too are of a large number, followed by the surviving blood elves, goblins and trolls, who within the last decade there numbers would have increased.
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taurenmoo812
In terms of it, I'm not sure this is the case anymore. The horde as it stands in cataclysm now is made up of 6 different races, the largest being orcs, followed by tauren. The forsaken too are of a large number, followed by the surviving blood elves, goblins and trolls, who within the last decade there numbers would have increased.
Umm... yeah, its still the case.
Did you ever stop and think that mabye the Alliance can increase in numbers to?
And there has been none stop war, weather with each-other or someone else.
Not exaclty the best time to build up a population.
I know you like to tell yourself the Horde is stronger then it has ever been, but in truth, both the Alliance and Horde lack compared to thier former selves during the Second war.
The Alliance lost Lordaeron, Alterac, Quel'Thalas, Stratolme, and many heros.
The Horde lost Blackrock Spire, Hellfire Citidel, Steamwedle Cartel , forest trolls, ogre clans, and lots of heros also.
And there is hardly a race who has not experiencied massacure.
But I think the Alliance still out numbers the Horde.
I'm sorry but.. Blackrock Spire, Hellfire citadel, the ogre clans.. are you
Actully
trying to convince yourself the horde now is the same as the dark horde?
I think its you who needs to stop and think.
The horde as it stands consists of 6 factions, 4 major cities, and countless towns and outposts across Azeroth that it never had before it came to be now. In terms of numbers the horde has spread itself out with the union of factions it has on its side, far more then it ever has before.
But I half expected this from you Dark anyway, personally I'd prefer to here from a neutral poster like Adam or HiV0LT4G3.
Post by
Skreeran
Theramore, same as above. Expect the people do not agree with Jaina, for the most part.Actually, as far as I know, most people agree with Jaina. Not all, and that's why you have the deserters and the guys that Zmodlor managed to sway, but I'm pretty sure that they for the most part respect Jaina's authority and decisions. I think that most of them would abstain from the conflict if that's what Jaina did.
The only leader who would probobly go against Varian is Velen.... Or Jaina, but she seems to follow him anyway...
Magni, Genn, Tyrande, Vereesa, Gelbin... I can easily see them following VarianYou sure about that? Genn really doesn't like to listen to other kings...
http://www.wowwiki.com/Genn#Quotes
Varian acts as the leader of the Alliance. I can see Genn allying with the Alliance to help with the Forsaken problem, but I can't really see him doing anything Varian says without protest.
And as for the original topic, I think Horde and Alliance are pretty much even. It really is circumstantial who would win. It's like a chess board with all the pieces. It really depends on the future actions of the players.
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Post by
Rankkor
humm first of all I'm impressed darkton (I mean it, no sarcasm here I swear) u made a good number of valid points here.
now it's my time to add something to the mix here.
at the thread opener, if you honestly believe that the alliance would decimate the horde, u're sadly mistaken and I'll elaborate why.
the main advantages of the alliance is precicely their thecnology, they have dwarves and gnomes that make advance weapon systems, however, the horde now has goblins on their side, wich evens out this advantage, rendering it nulified (as in both sides are just as advanced as each other)
their second advantage is their numbers, as darkton stated the alliance has a higher number of troops at their disposal, as well as a long tradition of tactical mastery, they don't exactly beat their chests like gorillas and leap into battle recklesly, they do so with advanced tactics and carefully laid plans.
however, this advantage is countered by the horde, how? raw strenght, put an untrained, unarmed orc vs an untrained unarmed human in hand-to-hand combat and the orc will beat the crap out of the human, this is double true for females.
same situation, put an average untrained unarmed dwarf against a tauren and clearly a winner is established before the battle even begins.
to make it even fair, put a goblin and a gnome agaisnt each other and the goblin's sheer viciousness can give him the upper hand (after all a bunch of goblins did subdued Broxigar the red, the best warrior in the history of azeroth)
so. what the alliance has in sheer numbers the horde makes it up with raw strenght.
aslo the tactical mastery of the alliance is also a weakness, why? on the first and second war, the orcs were victims of the bloodlust, and fought like brutes, using stupid tactics, they were easy to taunt, easy to trick easy to decieve, and this has renderered the alliance even today overconfident.
most of the battles the alliance has fought against thrall have been lost, why? they underestimate the new horde, they still are uncapable of thinking that the horde is capable of being just as cunning and clever as they are, and this is a terrible flaw, one that has been exploited in the past by the horde, earning us several victories (one of the eariliest is the raid on stratholme to rescue eitrigg)
however the largest biggest flaw in the alliance is their leadership.
the alliance is lead by 5 plp.
agreed the gnome king has no voice, he does what magni does, and to a certain degree magni does mostly what varian does, but jaina, tyrande, and velen not always (as in almost never) agree with varian's views and more often than not can refuse aid if they want to (such as what jaina did on the battle for the undercity)
they can't be branded as traitors, because stormwind doesn't rule elves, draenei or the humans of theramoore, these plp are togheter by cooperation, not rule, therefore varian can't order them to do anything, he can ask, and if the other leaders agree they act.
the horde is lead by a warchief, and his word is the law, period.
the warchief says "no more forsaken blight" and just like that, no more forsaken blight.
the warchief says "no more abominations" and just like that, orc guards are now in undercity, and the forsaken don't have another choise but to obey
the warchief says "we go there" and everyone goes there, no argument, no buts, no hesitation, nothing, nada.
the warchief does consults with the other leaders, but that's all he does, he takes their opinions under consideration and then makes his choise, and this choise whatever it may be , MUST be obeyed by ALL of the horde.
last but not least, look at how their territory is spread bro'
the eastern kingdoms, Southern half belongs to the alliance, northrenr half belongs to the horde.
Kalimdor: the alliance holds only bloodmyst, azuremyst, darkshore, teldrassil, a small segment of dustwallow marsh and half of ashenvale as well as a bit of winterspring as their lands.
the horde on the other hand holds durotan, the barrens, mulgore, stonetalon, thousand needless, as their land, and the rest is a no-man's land.
the horde has their territory more centered, unlike the alliance wich has their lands spread, far from each other, open on several fronts to an attack.
is clear that you need to research more your lore bro' cuz out of fantasy-land were u made this thread, the horde aint the pushover's u paint us to be
Post by
Skreeran
And we have Saurfang.
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