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Big arena nerf on undead, ( Wotf got nerfed )
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Noxnoctem
And any non retarded person doesnt have to number crunch to see
a horde caster would also have
Reign of the Dead
but the wg trinket which has 111 sp as his second trinket instead of
Battlemaster's Ruination
. So basically the human is getting 39 more sp. HOLY CRAP THATS A 'tremendous DPS-increases'.
Reign of the Dead: Equip: You gain a Shard of Flame each time you cause a non-periodic spell critical strike. When you reach 3 Shards, they will release, firing a Pillar of Flame for 1959 to 2275 damage. Shard of Flame cannot be gained more often than once every 2 sec.
I call that a large DPS increase.
Read what I bolded again.
And any non retarded person doesnt have to number crunch to see
a horde caster would also have
Reign of the Dead
but the wg trinket which has 111 sp as his second trinket instead of
Battlemaster's Ruination
. So basically the human is getting 39 more sp. HOLY CRAP THATS A 'tremendous DPS-increases'.
a horde caster would also have
Reign of the Dead
/facepalm
Read the main point in my original post. EMfH scales with new content. WotF does not.
As n4rt0n pointed out, with EMfH we get
this
. Only a human player would be able pull this off without crippling defensive ability. Tell me that isn't Overpowered. Read the bold writing;
A horde caster would not be able to pull of 2x Solace of Defeated without being punished for it.
As I reiterated before, EMfH will get stronger every time Blizzard add new content. Screw Battlemaster Trinkets, who needs them when you're pulling off +800mp5 every 10 seconds?
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Eleazer
@noxnoctotem - the priest you keep linking has two major issues.
1. He has the same trinket equipped twice even though it's unique meaning he can only own one.
2. The trinket even if capable of being equipped at the same time share the same buff and simply refresh the existing buff and not stack on top of it. It is similar to dual procs of crusader.
Thank you for posting a link and an example that is obviously faked. Good luck though!
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Noxnoctem
@noxnoctotem - the priest you keep linking has two major issues.
1. He has the same trinket equipped twice even though it's unique meaning he can only own one.
2. The trinket even if capable of being equipped at the same time share the same buff and simply refresh the existing buff and not stack on top of it. It is similar to dual procs of crusader.
Thank you for posting a link and an example that is obviously faked. Good luck though!
or take a look on this Priest
http://kr.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalaran&n=%EB%B3%80%EB%A7%88
Here is an example of the human racial being extremely abused, this priest with both trinkets proc'd got 800mp5 while casting, playing double healer.
:O
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This whole page is nothing but trolls...errr undead...
I play horde and ally both pretty equally, and im not getting why this is THIS big a deal. The argument that not all arena matches last 45 seconds is about retarded. Some arena matches only last 10 seconds...does that mean the CDs on the trinkets themselves should be shortened to 10 seconds?
Yep...I still dont get it. will of the forsaken will still remove fear effects ( my personal least favorite effect in the game...sans bubble) with a 45 second cool down? ORLY? so i can trinket, wotfs 45 seconds later, and a paltry 75 seconds later trinket again? gee guys, we 3 get out of jail cards in 2 minutes...
Reality check: EVERYONE wants to break cc more than they want the trinket. Humans dont skip having a cc breaking trinket because they can, they do it because they kind of HAVE too. If the human racial triggered a full 1 minute (instead of overlapping for 2) cool down on trinketing, most humans would role with a pvp trinket. You trolls just dont seem to see how valuable getting out of that second fear is.
Incidently (targeted towards the meter worshiping $%^s in the crowd) lets ignore dps for just a second, and review dpm...thats damage per minute, try to keep up here...what has more effect on the amount of damage you throw out in a 1 minute period? an additional, oh lets call it 400 spell power or whatever, for 15 seconds at most...or spending the last ten seconds of that minute running around feared? yup...there you have it...at 3kdps, for ten seconds, you lose 30k damage( or for the kids tracking up time here, that means your dps up time is diminished by 1/6th) and thats IF your only putting out 3k dps lol...OR, you gain at most a fairly minor buff...that will probably proc, and wear off, during the time your feared, and out of the dps game anyway.
In summary...to all those DEMANDING wotf is shortened to 15 or 30 seconds, i politely request that draeni get a reward for being flat out ugly, and emfh is shortened to 1 minute.
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lordyoshi01
The main problem here that I can see is that undead players that wish to PvP, will now be forced into a catch 22 situation each time they are feared/charmed/sleeped. They can either blow their shorter cd, WotF, but now they will be screwed if they get stunned/snared while their PvP trinket is on cd because of using WotF. This is understandable since as a undead warlock, I enjoy having two buttons that removes crowd control, but considering that now my racial will make me essentually way more susceptible to being met with a fear from one class then I'll be screwed if a stunning class decides to pop up and destroy me. WotF was definitely powerful, but when gnomes go free for having a racial that removes an effect that is easy for some to replace, it still can save a man's (or gnome's in this case) life and the human's racial utterly puts WotF to shame now because it removes any cc rather than the 3 rarest effects used in pvp. I'd kill a mountain of gnomes to get EMfH's effect to be copied onto WotF if it allows me to roll around with two trinkets of my choice rather than the standard 1 of anything and a PvP cc remove trinket since with two trinkets, as several have said before, it allows me to have much more utility and freedom. And to be honest decreasing the cool down is rather pointless in my opinion since as it was said before arenas don't really last that long (though I've never been one for doing arena but still) and even in battle grounds, if being crowd controled in such short succession is a problem, chances are you're about to die anyway so having a racial pose as a trinket would work out way better than a trinket and a racial that share cds.
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spcmack
im going to just throw this out like fifty more times
If the human racial did not share a 2 minute cool down with trinkets, then humans would equip pvp trinkets too. They really dont have much of a choice in the situation. No matter how you slice it, undead STILL get 2 cc breakers in less than 1 minute. No other class gets that.
gnomes can break snares, big deal. most gnomes are casters anyway, do they really care that they cant run up and whack you a stick? Not so much. seriously the gnome racial is covered all over the place. Gnome warriors go on a whirlwind rampage if you root them. casters cast. rogues vanish. They dont get much offensively from their racial. And since as such, most of those classes arent concerned with casters, defensively being snared doesnt hurt them much either. its not the same.
Wotf was the most unbalanced racial in the game. it was altered, just a little bit. If they made it a 2 minute shared CD like emfh, then yeah, that would be a brutal nerf, but they didnt. They are just forcing you to stagger them. That seems like a great first step forward in lowering burst in arenas to me, since at least now undead players will be forced to play slightly more defensively. If they gave you an additional trinket slot like you seem to be crying for, then that would just be increasing burst, which we have more than enough of thanks...
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or take a look on this Priest
http://kr.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalaran&n=%EB%B3%80%EB%A7%88
Here is an example of the human racial being extremely abused, this priest with both trinkets proc'd got 800mp5 while casting, playing double healer.
Ok, to clarify here, this guy is NOT playing dual healer. He's playing disc/arms/protribution. He's also stacking heroic and non heroic trinkets, which themselves are pretty OP, so I'm not sure why blizz even put this trinket in the game. QQ about the trinkets, not the racial IMO.
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Deepthought
@noxnoctotem - the priest you keep linking has two major issues.
1. He has the same trinket equipped twice even though it's unique meaning he can only own one.
2. The trinket even if capable of being equipped at the same time share the same buff and simply refresh the existing buff and not stack on top of it. It is similar to dual procs of crusader.
Thank you for posting a link and an example that is obviously faked. Good luck though!
Congratulations! One of his trinkets is the
Heroic version
, one is the
normal version.
If you would care to read the comments, you will see that
both can be worn at the same time
, because while each of them are unique, they have different item IDs.
If you would care to read just a little further into the comments, you will see that
the spell power gains stack, and the procs can and do work at the same time.
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samarium
Just disallow all racials in Arena. Racial imbalance solved.
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