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Enchanters upset over the change=1)lazy enchanters that don't "feel" like the bother, 2) ninja enchanters that want to rip people off
For those complaining about other gathering skills........one noted difference.....enchanters don't have to waste a second trade to gather their mats. But aside from that, if you see a skinner or miner or herber collecting and you want those mats.....ask. I've never denied anyone in a PuG the chance at my node loot.
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Nice assumptions, Wrong but nice.
Enchanters
will usually pickup a crafting profession AS their gathering 2nd profession
. Or did you think there is a profession that picks greens/blues/purples? Because I am sure most enchanters would gladly fill their 2nd profession slot with one that can go around and farm greens/blues/purples.
Enchanters don't have anyway to "farm" for needed mats
, or were you implying that dungeon drops are enchanters trade skill items and should be given to them 100% of the time? Should Greens/Blues/Purples only drop for enchanters? Sounds about a silly as saying “enchanters don't have to waste a second trade to gather their mats”.
Enchanters have the option to DE items to create mats needed for their profession OR they can sell said items for gold
(just like everyone else can sell/AH items). Much like JCs can prospect ore or Scribes can mill herbs. They all take some item and transform it into mats used for their profession.
Can we say JCs and Scribes have a built in gathering profession also?
Mats or either gathered via some profession, purchased, or created from other items. (Cloth being the only exception, and being used only for low level items)
Crafting =/= gathering profession.
Enchanters do have a way to farm needed mats.....it's call quest rewards and killing mobs for drops. I would need a calculator for the amount of greens and blues I've sent my enchanter friend to DE for his own use.
And a gathering skill does not have the option of "using the mat for their profession" because they don't make anything.
No you can't say that......as the only method of gathering mats for JCs and scribes outside of buying them, is to pick up a gathering tradeskill.
apples vs oranges.
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Wanted to say something.
The comparison about not being able to roll on skinning/mining/herbalism in dungeons? That's not just apples and oranges. That's more like apples and tables.
Mining, for example is a gathering profession. My paladin is maxed out on mining. He can get titanium with the best of them. Of course, sine his other profession is tailoring*, he can't really do anything with it.
Enchanting is a crafting profession. You can do things with enchanting. The problem is that enchanting also has a built in gathering component. It's two professions in one, compared to the other professions. As someone else pointed out, I'm sure leatherworkers would be thrilled if they didn't need to take up skinning to make their items. Enchanting is the only profession that, up until this point, got to have cake, and eat it, too.
The other problem is that everyone needs the materials from enchanting because, again, as someone pointed out, everyone needs enchants. Not just for money, either. A mage may not ever need anything that a blacksmith makes, but he pretty much needs every article of gear he has enchanted. It's not a matter of "Oh, I'm going to roll on this titanium to put on the auction house", it's "Oh, I'm going to roll on this abyss crystal because I need this cloak enchanted."
Forgive me, I got off track. Comparing disenchanting green items in dungeons to picking herbs or such is ridiculous. Mostly because that's not an accurate picture of what's happening. A more accurate scenario would be if blacksmiths were able to turn weapons into the bars or ores or whatever. And the entire profession of mining was removed from the game. The only way to get iron or eternium or saronite was by having blacksmiths, and only blacksmiths, "break down" the random items that appeared in the game.
That's a more accurate depiction of how it currently is with enchanting.
Also, ask yourself how you would feel if that blacksmith started telling people "Screw you, I don't want to break down these items because I took the time to level blacksmithing."
Something to think about, anyway.
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Enchanting IS a gathering and crafting skill in one. The fact that you can't as easily farm you own mats as someone with a gathering skill, is kinda the point being made. If that were the case, it would be pointless to make LW'ers, JC, BS, Inscripts, Alchems have a gathering skill support their tradeskill.
You have the option of farming your own mats, no matter how mundaine or fruitless you think it is. You can argue all you want, it doesn't change fact.
btw, reading comprehension and logic ftw
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What if anyone in an instance could skin, or mine, or gather herbs, just because there was someone with that profession in the group? And not only can you do this, but you don't even have to go through the mechanics of the gathering, but can just click on the item you want?
See a node? Click on it and everyone get to roll for who gets the Saronite.
Not just loot Cyanigosa but auto skin her and roll for who gets the skins?
That still ok?
I don't currently have a gathering profession on my main (although I had mining for a long time) but I do have a couple alts with herbalism and mining and honestly, if having a chance to roll on skins, ores or herbs from instances would stop the QQing from enchanters then I will say GO FOR IT! Even when I see nodes in a dungeon I can't be bothered most of the time to run to them and gather. So if you wanna do it, go ahead. One-two nodes of ore in a couple instances is hardly game-breaking. I will gladly pass on all ores, skins and herbs from instances to not have the forums flooded every day with new topics complaining about disenchanting.
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See where this entitlement attitude leads us?
I'm sorry but I'm still not getting your point. OK, I am fine with everyone in the group getting to roll if I mine/skin or herb something in the instance. I will even gladly pass. To be honest, when I use a gathering profession I dedicate extra time to farm out in the world for my own mats (flasks, gems etc) and for stuff to sell. I don't care if a saronite node or two pop up in an instance. I can get 10 times as much ore by flying for 5 minutes through Icecrown.
To be honest, on my server, the enchanting mat price drop has really only affected dusts (I *think* because I hadn't bothered checking the price for the last couple months since I get my mats from tipping enchanters to DE my greens/blues I get in instances or killing mobs while doing dailies). Dusts went down 20 gold per stack or so, down to about 40 gold now. Shards remained about the same as well as greater cosmics. Abyss crystals practically didn't change at all either. I think what you're *more* mad about is not that the prices went down but that you aren't the only one getting to sell them now and reap the benefits.
I remember in the last year enchanters were complaining about having to DE for groups (and btw noone ever forced you to even say you're an enchanter and DE anything for anyone) because they said mats were not readily available to level the profession and were too expensive to buy when leveling. Now all of a sudden that argument doesn't work any more so now it's "but what about the people who already leveled?" You know what? Tough break. Professions get changed around a lot. I only picked up jcing back in the day because of prismatic gems that fit any slot so I didn't have to put in crappy blue gems into my slots. Guess what? Those gems are not prismatic any more. Do you see me incessantly crying about how my profession has been TOTALLY devalued? No, because I understand that I still get the same benefit as everyone: I still get a slight stat boost for my gear just like enchanters for rings or BS with extra slots, or alchemists with better flasks etc.
It is all about not getting to charge people inordinate amounts of gold for mats, having the monopoly on the market and inflating the prices. And you expect others to have sympathy with you after this? If you want people to agree with you at least try to come up with a better argument.
Edit: LOL. I missed the part where you meant if people are out gathering anywhere in the world. You do realize that if there's 40+ people in Icecrown the gatherer him/herself has almost no chance to actually profit in any way from taking the time to go out and gather. So there is basically no motivation to go out of your way and farm. But dungeons will hold appeal for enchanters and nonenchanters alike even if there are no mats to be had. In fact, mats are the last thing on my mind when I do dungeons. People still need gear/emblems/daily quests from dungeons. So that analogy is moot. If you made gatherers roll off with everyone in the zone for the mats they gather noone would actually bother. They might sit in the zone and wait for a roll to come up but noone is going to go out of their way to farm stuff in a zone then have to roll off with dozens of people.
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