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Wildhorn
Ok. I'm new to enchanting so this won't effect me until later levels in the skill. I see a lot of people saying this is two professions. I disagree. I have to level my enchanting in order to use it. It is tied to my to disenchant. Not seperate
You didnt get it. Of course it is 1 professions. But if you compare it to other professions that require material from ANOTHER profession to craft their things. Enchanting is indeed 2 professions into 1.
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JemiS
So I think we also now need to have the option to have any ore we mine automatically prospected if there's a JC in the group.... Or Herbs turned into Inks.... Or regular Borean Leather turned into Heavy Borean Leather.... Just to be fair and all.
That, and cloth from a tailor should be split equally between the group.
After all, if we give the benefits from one profession out to everyone, why not do it with them all?
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Wildhorn
So I think we also now need to have the option to have any ore we mine automatically prospected if there's a JC in the group.... Or Herbs turned into Inks.... Or regular Borean Leather turned into Heavy Borean Leather.... Just to be fair and all.
First, you can all get those done OUTSIDE the instance.
Second, you cant get BoP items to get DEed outside instance.
Third, You cant trade none-conjured items crossrealms.
Fourth. This is why Blizzard added this change and not to make greedy enchanters to QQ rivers.
That, and cloth from a tailor should be split equally between the group.
Wrong. This is not the same thing. DEing doesnt make you get extra stuff. It just convert a useless item into useful material.
After all, if we give the benefits from one profession out to everyone, why not do it with them all?
Read first point.
All the QQer will have to get this throu their tick dumb mind. Blizzard added this change in regard of the crossrealm dungeon group (you cant trade non-conjured items). Another way to do this would have been to allow to DE items from the no-trade slot in trade window. But it would have in the end ended up to the same result. People would have greeded items to get them DEed after the instance from any enchanters. Now you get the items DEed on the go. It just save a step. So could you all please stop to QQ rivers? It start to get wet here.
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Wildhorn
and what the heck does QQ mean?
Let me google that for your
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JemiS
I like how you just ignored the first post where I went through your points, Wildhorn.
The question remains, why can enchanters not just opt out?
As it stands, even if the enchanter requests everyone greed, all it takes is one person to select DE and they can get the shard.
I DE for most of my groups, but sometimes I just don't feel like giving stuff away for free.
How about another solution: Just give everyone the 'disenchant' skill as a baseline skill, and make it not level up at all.
Then everyone can DE their own gear, instead of hijacking someone elses hard leveled skill to do so.
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I like how you just ignored the first post where I went through your points, Wildhorn.
Well, first part of your reply is suspicious at best. I have an enchanter and never anybody expected me to enchant for free with my mats. Second part is probably because you do not know what to make or your server is PvE and/or lack twinks.
The question remains, why can enchanters not just opt out?
Why not just remove enchanter ability to DE and make it a seperate professions? Would make you to shut up?
As it stands, even if the enchanter requests everyone greed, all it takes is one person to select DE and they can get the shard.
Greed rolls will win over DE rolls. So if you are just a greedy enchanter, you can select greed and faint that you need it for offset.
I DE for most of my groups, but sometimes I just don't feel like giving stuff away for free.
You dont give anything for free. You just transform something to a more valuable thing.
How about another solution: Just give everyone the 'disenchant' skill as a baseline skill, and make it not level up at all.
Then everyone can DE their own gear, instead of hijacking someone elses hard leveled skill to do so.
Would just be like it will be. So why do you even complain in first place?
All the QQer will have to get this throu their tick dumb mind. Blizzard added this change in regard of the crossrealm dungeon group (you cant trade non-conjured items). Another way to do this would have been to allow to DE items from the no-trade slot in trade window. But it would have in the end ended up to the same result. People would have greeded items to get them DEed after the instance from any enchanters. Now you get the items DEed on the go. It just save a step. So could you all please stop to QQ rivers? It start to get wet here.
Other than the insult you added nothing to the topic. Thanks.
So people can't trade cross realm, does that stop them from winning greed drops? Do those BOE greed drops just vanish? What is stopping people from taking those cross realm instance BOE greens/blues/purples and finding an enchanter to DE them for them later? Oh wait, they might need to ASK to you that local enchanters profession. Heaven forbid the enchanters even ask for a tip or something from using thier profession...
What? Seriously icebeard7, you take every of my reply way too personal. Did I insult your mother?
Your post doesnt even make sense. What is your point? You QQ about people that gonna ask you to DE BoE stuff and gonna pay you for it? Seriously... take a chill pill and get your mind fixed.
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faia
they pop the "superior complex" of many enchanters got "i did disenchant it I gone get it no question asked or fee for give it to you even that you won it!1!1!"
it's not much more of a change except that the enchanter not need to do the disenchanting in the group and not need him there so people not feel "needed" to have a enchanter in group for DE stuff (hardcore farmers..every money count) it's not a revolution just that mat's will get down in price in worst case or stay as it is because of demand for it
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JemiS
Wild...
If I transform something worth 10g into something worth 50g, how am I NOT giving away something for free?
And yes, I DO play on a PvE realm, as do quite a few others- and the twink market is next to non-existent.
And just yesterday, I had someone chew me out for not giving them a free Mongoose Enchant- in their words "You have the mats, it doesn't cost you anything to enchant it".
And I'm not sure if you're currently playing on the PTR, but last I saw greed did not trump DE- they were considered equivalent rolls.
So if I roll greed on a BoE green, and someone else rolls DE- if I win the roll, I get the item- if they win the roll they get the mats that would result from that item being DEd.
Honestly, I don't mind nearly as much the system for BoP items as I do the system for BoEs- if every green item that drops in an instance gets DEd, the bottom will drop like a stone on dusts/essences, making the nice shiny abyssal shatter that enchanters just got next to worthless. Yes, I realize someone can just get an enchanter to DE BoE items that they win- but that requires some sort of an agreement on the enchanters part- either a friend, guildie, or a per fee service.
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freedfromthereal
I don't get it; from the arguments and discussions I've seen one thing, and that's greedy enchanters. I have seen "We don't roll on Frost Lotus and Arctic furs so why do we roll on Abyss Crystals?" which really irked me. Here's why.
Consider the average price of a Frost Lotus being 50g and an Arctic Fur being 100g.
If you figure that you do 5 of the larger heroics and say that one Frost Lotus/Arctic Fur drops out of all of them. As an herbalist you have made an average of 10g per run, and as a skinner you have made 20g per run Now, compare that to an enchanter. If you guys win a blue you make 20-30g from the resultant dream shard Again, considering the larger heroics (Nex, Gundrak, OK) and throwing in two smaller ones (DTK, VH), we come out to 21 blues that most people (hopefully) won't need.
You've got a 23% chance to win 5 blues out of all of them, and that alone will be 100-150g. That's not including the epics, which you have a 20% chance to get at least one, which yields an Abyss Crystal. So out of 5 heroics you have made 150-200g, well over twice that of the herbalist and skinner who got their Fur or Lotus.
There is also the fact that you need to consider that a fur or lotus might not even drop in those runs. The instances I mentioned are all filled with skinnable mobs and herbing nodes for the picking, but even then they might not drop the elusive lotus or fur that some of you have talked about. Drops of bosses are always consistent; there will never be a boss that doesn't drop some sort of disenchantable loot.
I'm not trying to offend anyone by saying this, but I'm putting numbers to the arguments that I've seen flying around here. Also before I get flamed I tip you guys nicely for services rendered, so please don't call me a no-tipper or something :).
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Conside the average cost of Dust being 5G each and greens DE into up to 7 Dust. The DEing of a 10VendorGold green into say 5 Dusts (25Gold of mats on average) is a 15 gold profit per item DE'd Times dozens of items per run. Now throw in the fact enchanters MIGHT NEVER win a instance roll...
See made up numbers rarely work. The point is that Enchanters are NOT being allowed to say when OTHERS can use THIER profession. End of story! Gold or profits is not the issue as very few people will agree on value/profits from professions and what OTHERS make from them.
Ok. There's a few glaring things wrong with this:
1) My prices were quoted directly from the LOWEST prices I could find on the Shattered Hand AH, I did not make up on the spot.
2) I did not say a single instance or heroic. I said a series of 5, meaning more than enough of a chance to get a single item and eliminating most of the plausible chance to not get something which still gives more than enough of a chance to get at LEAST one item. Come to me with a series of 5 runs where you did not win a single item and then we'll talk.
It ALL boils down to the fact that others can use an enchanters profession for thier own personal benifit, without the enchanter having any choice in the matter.
YOU are not doing a single thing apart from being in the instance! We are not putting a bunch of blues in a trade box with you and you're forced to DE all of them, your services are being used to do something that (if you're nice) you would do anyways. Your services are not being forcibly used without your permission or payment, and on top of all of that because you do not own your character. Here's a quote straight from the hallowed and mighty Blizzard EULA:
"All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes,
objects
, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork,
character inventories
, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard."
Read the bold and see how your argument is invalidated by the legal agreement you became a part of when you play WoW. You do not own your character or anything that it holds, including professions, and as such there is no "choice" or "personal benifit" involved. You're arguing rights in a game which as a character and as a player you have none.
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