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Post by
MyTie
The whole deal with America is that
it's supposed to be open to all cultures.
Why is your culture better than mine?
Where does it say that America is supposed to be open to all cultures? We accept people from all cultures, but some cultural things we are unwilling to accept. Human trafficing, underage marriage, honor killings, are integral parts of some cultures, but unacceptible in American culture. Just because we are more open to other ways of life doesn't mean we accept
every
way of life.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
The whole deal with America is that
it's supposed to be open to all cultures.
Why is your culture better than mine?
Where does it say that America is supposed to be open to all cultures? We accept people from all cultures, but some cultural things we are unwilling to accept. Human trafficing, underage marriage, honor killings, are integral parts of some cultures, but unacceptible in American culture. Just because we are more open to other ways of life doesn't mean we accept
every
way of life.
Because those things go beyond culture and go against intrinsic human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity).
Post by
273605
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Deepthought
Decency is the adherance to social standards of appropriate conduct. These standards vary greatly depending on culture.
And American (western culture as a whole TBH, but more noticeable in America) culture is one that stinks of sexual repression. I think that this is something that people should take action to change.
Post by
MyTie
Decency is the adherance to social standards of appropriate conduct. These standards vary greatly depending on culture.
And American (western culture as a whole TBH, but more noticeable in America) culture is one that stinks of sexual repression. I think that this is something that people should take action to change.
You suggest a change in our subjective opinions of decency. I don't disagree, but that isn't the question. The question was:Is decency beneficial to society?
@HyperBecause those things go beyond culture and go against intrinsic human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity).Human dignity is not defined by culture?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Because those things go beyond culture and go against
intrinsic
human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity).Human dignity is not defined by culture?
Emphasis added.
I say intrinsic, the you ask me if it's extrinsic?
Post by
MyTie
Because those things go beyond culture and go against
intrinsic
human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity).Human dignity is not defined by culture?
Emphasis added.
I say intrinsic, the you ask me if it's extrinsic?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Post by
Deepthought
You suggest a change in our subjective opinions of decency. I don't disagree, but that isn't the question. The question was:
I thought my answer impied my thought on this, in the context. To directly answer the question; it depends entirely on the culture it is applied to. As it is, I beleive the idea of (sexual) decency in Western culture is far too rigid and unhealthy.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Go crazy.
Post by
MyTie
Because those things go beyond culture and go against
intrinsic
human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity).Human dignity is not defined by culture?
Emphasis added.
I say intrinsic, the you ask me if it's extrinsic?
Yes, I'm asking you to reexamine if dignity is extrinsic or intrinsic. Having dignity may not be good for goodness sake, but may be necessary for the continuement of society. There is more reason outside of dignity itself, that is why I ask you reexamine if dignity is purely intrinsic. You seem to do this in every thread: Pull out a since concept and debate whether it is innate or not. Stay on topic, please.
But, I resent the divergence from my origional question, which was: Is it beneficial to society to uphold decency? Would it change society if decency were not a part of society? Of course it would. In what ways?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes, I'm asking you to reexamine if dignity is extrinsic or intrinsic. Having dignity may not be good for goodness sake, but may be necessary for the continuation of society. There is more reason outside of dignity itself, that is why I ask you reexamine if dignity is intrinsic.
But, I resent the divergence from my original question, which was: Is it beneficial to society to uphold decency? Would it change society if decency were not a part of society? Of course it would. In what ways?
Yes, dignity is intrinsic. Otherwise killing Jews, owning slaves, and killing babies is perfectly justifiable.
It is harmful to uphold a single standard of decency. Everyone has their own standards for decency, so decency will never
not
be part of society. Your decency might die with you, but decency as defined by Moe will still be around.
Post by
leonheart87
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Haha what?
Public nudity doesn't anguish anyone, then why don't we do it? I suppose that having sex in public doesn't anguish anyone either. Why not do it?
I don't walk around nekkid because I don't want to sunburn/freeze my nuts off.
Public Sex happens all the time. It's actually quite fun. Although that could be due to the 'taboo' of breaking the law whilst doing it.
The only victimless crime I can think of is suicide. They're not a victim to the crime they commit, although they may have been victims to other crimes to lead them to it.
Post by
MyTie
Yes, dignity is intrinsic. Otherwise killing Jews, owning slaves, and killing babies is perfectly justifiable.These things are neither justifiable nor unjustified if there is no God. Either God gives us objective morals, and therefore dignity is not intrinsic to humans, or 'good' is subjectively defined by society, and these actions are not 'justified' or 'unjustified'. Either way, we are not born with a set of rules stapled to our essence. We do not have intrinsic dignity.It is harmful to uphold a single standard of decency. Everyone has their own standards for decency, so decency will never
not
be part of society. Your decency might die with you, but decency as defined by Moe will still be around.Ok. This is acceptible, but then what about a 'net' decency by society, or as close as we can get. Can we all agree that propositioning a 5 year old for sexual favors is indecent, and unacceptible?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes, dignity is intrinsic. Otherwise killing Jews, owning slaves, and killing babies is perfectly justifiable.These things are neither justifiable nor unjustified if there is no God. Either God gives us objective morals, and therefore dignity is not intrinsic to humans, or 'good' is subjectively defined by society, and these actions are not 'justified' or 'unjustified'. Either way, we are not born with a set of rules stapled to our essence. We do not have intrinsic dignity.
Again I would direct you to the
article
. Intrinsic value has nothing to do with God.
It is harmful to uphold a single standard of decency. Everyone has their own standards for decency, so decency will never
not
be part of society. Your decency might die with you, but decency as defined by Moe will still be around.Ok. This is acceptable, but then what about a 'net' decency by society, or as close as we can get. Can we all agree that propositioning a 5 year old for sexual favors is indecent, and unacceptable?
If it's wrong, it's for reasons other than indecency.
Post by
MyTie
Intrinsic value has nothing to do with God.
And what does 'intrinsic value' have to do with our conversation about public indecency?
Post by
Lecks
The only victimless crime I can think of is suicide. They're not a victim to the crime they commit, although they may have been victims to other crimes to lead them to it.
What about their relatives and/or friends? I'd think they're negatively affected by it.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Intrinsic value has nothing to do with God.
And what does 'intrinsic value' have to do with our conversation about public indecency?
Nothing. You're the one who brought up issues that have their roots in human dignity. I pointed that out, said that wasn't the topic. You then asked me quite clearly: "Human dignity is not defined by culture?"
So if it has anything to do with the topic, you'd be the one to know
Post by
MyTie
There is no such thing as a victimless crime. There are crimes that don't directly derive a single victim. People get those two confused.
Post by
MyTie
Intrinsic value has nothing to do with God.
And what does 'intrinsic value' have to do with our conversation about public indecency?
Nothing. You're the one who brought up issues that have their roots in human dignity. I pointed that out, said that wasn't the topic. You then asked me quite clearly: "Human dignity is not defined by culture?"
So if it has anything to do with the topic, you'd be the one to know
Cute. I love how I'm the one who brought it up. Would you mind quoting your post, the one right before all that mess you just brought up? Oh, well... let me...Because those things go beyond culture and go against intrinsic human dignity. Stay on the issue.
The issue is purely cultural things (because that's the only thing you've brought against nudity)And that was the first time 'human dignity' was mentioned in this thread. So, again, I ask, WTF are you talking about? How does it relate to victimless crimes? If it doesn't, kindly go back to the op, or gtfo.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
There is such a thing as a victimless "crime." They don't deserve to be called crimes, but our current legal system pretends they are. They are very confused.
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