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Post by
MyTie
What are these 'unmentionalbe' victemless crimes?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
What are these 'unmentionalbe' victimless crimes?
OMG using drugs is unmentionable!
Apparently along with public nudity, speeding, and begging.
Post by
MyTie
What are these 'unmentionalbe' victimless crimes?
OMG using drugs is unmentionable!
Apparently along with public nudity, speeding, and begging.
I don't think that these crimes are victemless. Because no one is physically injured doesn't mean no one is a victem.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
What are these 'unmentionalbe' victimless crimes?
OMG using drugs is unmentionable!
Apparently along with public nudity, speeding, and begging.
I don't think that these crimes are victimless. Because no one is physically injured doesn't mean no one is a victim.
No one is a victim of being "begged at." No one is a victim of seeing a human body. No one is a victim of speeding
per se
-- the action can lead to it, but I can speed down a deserted road and still get pulled over.
Post by
MyTie
No one is a victim of being "begged at."Just because everyone is a victim of economic desparity and lazyness, doesn't mean that 'no one' is. If society is affected evenly by leeches, the effects are not nil. No one is a victim of seeing a human body. No one is a victim of speeding
per se
-- the action can lead to it, but I can speed down a deserted road and still get pulled over.There has to be a line of appropriateness drawn on public decency. Where is that line? Is it ok to walk around in the buff? Is it ok to touch myself while naked in public? What if I have an itch? There has to be a line when society agrees on what is acceptible and what is inacceptible. While stepping one inch over that line may not cause anyone harm, that line has to be enforced to promote justice.
Is it a flawless concept? No. Does it work? For the most part.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
No one is a victim of being "begged at."Just because everyone is a victim of economic desparity and lazyness, doesn't mean that 'no one' is. If society is affected evenly by leeches, the effects are not nil.
I didn't say there weren't effects. I said there was no victim.
No one is a victim of seeing a human body. No one is a victim of speeding
per se
-- the action can lead to it, but I can speed down a deserted road and still get pulled over.There has to be a line of appropriateness drawn on public decency. Where is that line? Is it ok to walk around in the buff? Is it ok to touch myself while naked in public? What if I have an itch? There has to be a line when society agrees on what is acceptible and what is inacceptible. While stepping one inch over that line may not cause anyone harm, that line has to be enforced to promote justice.
Is it a flawless concept? No. Does it work? For the most part.
I didn't say it was right, I didn't say it was wrong. I said there was no victim.
Post by
blademeld
I didn't say there weren't effects. I said there was no victim.
If any of those effects are negative to another person, that person is a victim.
Case 1: beggars in front of stores reduce customer flow and property value.
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Case 3: drugs, lowers community value, related to public safety.
Case 4: speeding, same as above.
There are no specific victims, but there are victims nevertheless.
Post by
Deepthought
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Haha what?
Post by
Patty
Wearing suspenders isn't victimless at all. Sign my petition to make it a federal offense.
/signed.
I think wearing white jeans and black boots should be bannable too. It's just wrong.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Case 1: beggars in front of stores reduce customer flow and property value.
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Case 3: drugs, lowers community value, related to public safety.
Case 4: speeding, same as above.
There are no specific victims, but there are victims nevertheless.
You can say the same thing about coffee. It causes you to act differently therefore you victimize society. The drugs themselves aren't causing the disturbance. Speeding down a deserted road itself isn't causing disturbance.
80's clothing causes me mental anguish. Am I a victim? Of my own prejudices maybe, but not of the person wearing the clothes.
Post by
blademeld
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Haha what?
This is usually in reference to nudity in areas where young children are exposed to it. The other case would be public morality.
You can say the same thing about coffee. It causes you to act differently therefore you victimize society.
You're not victimizing anyone by drinking coffee because coffee does not make you act in a negative manner. Yes, it may make a person more awake (which caffeine doesn't according to experimentation) but most people become more productive due to that.
The drugs themselves aren't causing the disturbance.
Yes they are. Public morality + value is damaged due to the presence of drugs: example, would you like to raise your kid next to a weed farm or in a socially proper neighbourhood?
Speeding down a deserted road itself isn't causing disturbance.
Again, community morals and value, as well as safety
80's clothing causes me mental anguish. Am I a victim? Of my own prejudices maybe, but not of the person wearing the clothes.
80's clothing is socially acceptable, public nudity isn't. It's not based on personal morals, but the morals of the community as a whole.
tl;dr
You need to learn what a victim is.
Once again, I have no intention of continuing this debate any further in this thread, if you wish to continue, find me in #wowhead
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes they are. Public morality + value is damaged due to the presence of drugs: example, would you like to raise your kid next to a weed farm or in a socially proper neighbourhood?
By "socially acceptable neighborhood" I assume you mean stuck-up, snobby white-boy suburbs? I prefer the weed farm.
Speeding down a deserted road itself isn't causing disturbance.
Again, community morals and value, as well as safety.
If the road is deserted there is no "community."
80's clothing causes me mental anguish. Am I a victim? Of my own prejudices maybe, but not of the person wearing the clothes.
80's clothing is socially acceptable, public nudity isn't. It's not based on personal morals, but the morals of the community as a whole.
No they're based on
your personal morals
projected onto the community.
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42080
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Post by
Deepthought
This is usually in reference to nudity in areas where young children are exposed to it.
Nudity isn't erotic by-itself.
The other case would be public morality.
Pardon?
You're not victimizing anyone by drinking coffee because coffee does not make you act in a negative manner
Depends entirely on the person.
Yes they are. Public morality + value is damaged due to the presence of drugs: example, would you like to raise your kid next to a weed farm or in a socially proper neighbourhood?
Both can occur in the same place, you know?
Post by
MyTie
Case 2: public nudity causes mental anguish in a by-stander.
Haha what?
Public nudity doesn't anguish anyone, then why don't we do it? I suppose that having sex in public doesn't anguish anyone either. Why not do it?
2 Questions:
Is decency beneficial to society?
Does there need to be a 'line' drawn between acceptible and unacceptible in terms of decency?
Post by
Deepthought
Public nudity doesn't anguish anyone, then why don't we do it? I suppose that having sex in public doesn't anguish anyone either. Why not do it?
Why not indeed?
Is decency beneficial to society?
Define "decency", if you please.
Does there need to be a 'line' drawn between acceptible and unacceptible in terms of decency?
See above.
Post by
MyTie
Is decency beneficial to society?
Define "decency", if you please.
Decency is the adherance to social standards of appropriate conduct. These standards vary greatly depending on culture.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Is decency beneficial to society?
Define "decency", if you please.
Decency is the adherance to social standards of appropriate conduct. These standards vary greatly depending on culture.
The whole deal with America is that
it's supposed to be open to all cultures.
Why is your culture better than mine?
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