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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
It seems to me that Taruenmoo and Adams just tell themselves its a matter of me "wanting Cairne dead" when its really "proof that Cairne will die"All I've ever asked for was a blue post, from Blizzard itself confirming his death. MMOchampion is a third party website, not Blizzard itself. Until that point, I'm going to be optimistic and hope he stays alive, and heads north with Thrall to deal with the real threat instead of a senseless war.
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taurenmoo812
It seems to me that Taruenmoo and Adams just tell themselves its a matter of me "wanting Cairne dead" when its really "proof that Cairne will die"
Make no mistake, I do like and respect Cairne.
But facts are facts. Every rumor MMOchampion has dug up has been proven true so far, and we have even confirmed the Baine is the new leader of Thunder Bluff.
Other then WC3, Cairne has always seemed to be a one-hit-wonder. I am not suprised Blizzard is killing him off, he is to old to really do much with.
Since you guys are not going to stop fighting over it though, I will just stop and wait for glorious victory once Catalsym is realesed and Cairne is proven dead. I am sick of being treated like scum for my liking of a
certian character
.
Adam is a totally neutral guy in terms of the lore and both sides, so his thought and opinion on things is based on a very much outsider look at things. I am someone who for a time was on that wavelength too, until I came over to being completely dedicated to the horde.
You however are so much of an alliance standing fan, you not only refuse to see from someones neutral point of view, but when you are either proven wrong, or asked to present evidense to back up your claims, you always fail to do just that.
We don't think your scum for liking Varian Wrynn, most of just think your nieve in your claims, and take anyone bashing Varians anti-horde hatred as a personal attack, so making it even more confounded for yourself. Basicly, you stab yourself in the foot.
Present to me and adam evidense of what your claiming now, and you might have a leg to stand on, otherwise your really are just going on the dribble that got spread about by fanboys and mmo-champ threw in as a price of drama.
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Adamsm
Adam is a totally neutral guy in terms of the lore and both sides, so his thought and opinion on things is based on a very much outsider look at things.Heh, well, except about the Forsaken; I'd be happy if the entire race was rounded up and dropped into a pool of lava lol.
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taurenmoo812
Adam is a totally neutral guy in terms of the lore and both sides, so his thought and opinion on things is based on a very much outsider look at things.Heh, well, except about the Forsaken; I'd be happy if the entire race was rounded up and dropped into a pool of lava lol.
Well I'll give you that, can't blame you for that one.. those guys really do go beyond being in a more 'grey' area like all other races can.
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Adamsm
We don't think your scum for liking Varian Wrynn
WHUT MADNIEZ IZ DIS?I don't. You know full well why I dislike you Darkton.
Can you prove that Carine will not die?No, we don't have an concrete proof that he will not die, just as there is no 100% Blizzard based proof that he will be killed in Cata.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I thought you were always completely dedicated to the Horde.
Shows you don't know enough about me to render a prejudgement.
Pot calling the kettle black.
All you ever do is spam about how "horde and saurfang are perfect in every way" and "alliance is racist and evil and not any where as good as the Horde" and most importantly, you refuse to admit Varian is justified. And when ever you have no one to answer your questions for you, all I ever here is insults.
I'm afraid your over generalization of matters concerning mine or anyone elses take on lore and characters is extremely narrow. You see, if you took time to notice the agreeable talks I have with other posters, I have admitted to the horde having both dark and light elements to it, one being the above talk I had with Adam about many of the forsaken.
What you've just done here is try to over generalise anything I've said, and then use your over exaggeration as a backing to proclaim your opinions as the only right ones, and everyone else being wrong. As I said on a previous thread dark, your extremely easy to read.
WHUT MADNIEZ IZ DIS?
Simple fact. Myself, Adam, Skeeran and others would probably enjoy talking on threads with you if you yourself was more amenable. It doesn't matter that you like Varian so much, its the fact you take everything about others disliking him so personally, that you start a flame war whenever someone says the facts about him being wrong.
I laughed when I read this, you act like when ever some one does not agree with you in WoW, its like not agreeing with gay marriage.
On the Worgen vs Goblin thread, you hung out and bashed everyone who liked Worgen more.
In this thread , you flamed everyone who said they like Garrosh, even though the point of the thread was to see if anyone
likes
Garrosh.
Hmm. So now your so hard pressed to find an argument your starting to make personal remarks again, even on the gay marriage front? I'd be careful where to step.
The worgen/goblin thread argument was something none serious and a bit of horde/alliance scuffling. I happen to think goblins are better then worgen, but someone else isn't going to share that same opinion so thats there choice.
And if your aware of it, I'm not the only one of this thread who dislikes Garrosh. Hey though, maybe I should follow your example, the next post who says they think garrosh is great, I should say 'No he's not, your wrong and I'm right, just accept it', this is your MO after all isn't it.
Can you prove that Carine will
not
die?
So your saying you've got nothing to back this claim up, thats all that was needed to be said.
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Adamsm
Garrosh is sick Thrall is a little War hateing Girl Who doesnt understand anything Garrosh Is SUPER Nuts Wasent His Dad the one who Freed the Orcs from there Hatred?Thrall just got tossed aside into a ledge and layed there.Garrosh just realizes that its a Dog eat Dog world and he doesnt wana be the dead eatn dog.
English much heh?
And yes Grom freed the orcs... but his son is on the same path to bring the orcs back under the demon influence.
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CircusofValues
I'm afraid your over generalization of matters concerning mine or anyone elses take on lore and characters is extremely narrow. You see, if you took time to notice the agreeable talks I have with other posters, I have admitted to the horde having both dark and light elements to it, one being the above talk I had with Adam about many of the forsaken.
What you've just done here is try to over generalise anything I've said, and then use your over exaggeration as a backing to proclaim your opinions as the only right ones, and everyone else being wrong. As I said on a previous thread dark, your extremely easy to read.
Admitting that the Horde has "dark and light elements" does not consist of you going:
those guys really do go beyond being in a more 'grey' area like all other races can.
PS: Forsaken have been through a lot. Comparably more than Orcs n' Trolls n' such.
And it's true. I think Darkton, personally, is more reasonable and coherent than you are in many ways, and I despise Varian. The reason he doesn't like you (nor I) is because you are so rigid and immovable in your thinking, and don't accept the fact that SOME of us actually DO like Garrosh.
Also, Freesteak, I want you to read a book on grammar, then pick up your dictionary and read that.
Post by
Gammosh
I am relative to Garrosh. The High Overlord and I have convened and assembled an army of rebels. We have come to call ourselves The Fist of Retribution. He doesnt know it yet, but we plan to eliminate him before he becomes Warchief...
OOC: Yeah, I dont like him.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I'm afraid your over generalization of matters concerning mine or anyone elses take on lore and characters is extremely narrow. You see, if you took time to notice the agreeable talks I have with other posters, I have admitted to the horde having both dark and light elements to it, one being the above talk I had with Adam about many of the forsaken.
What you've just done here is try to over generalise anything I've said, and then use your over exaggeration as a backing to proclaim your opinions as the only right ones, and everyone else being wrong. As I said on a previous thread dark, your extremely easy to read.
Admitting that the Horde has "dark and light elements" does not consist of you going:
those guys really do go beyond being in a more 'grey' area like all other races can.
PS: Forsaken have been through a lot. Comparably more than Orcs n' Trolls n' such.
And it's true. I think Darkton, personally, is more reasonable and coherent than you are in many ways, and I despise Varian. The reason he doesn't like you (nor I) is because you are so rigid and immovable in your thinking, and don't accept the fact that SOME of us actually DO like Garrosh.
Also, Freesteak, I want you to read a book on grammar, then pick up your dictionary and read that.
Well what can I say, I could just the same say I don't like you either for you jumping on the Garrosh bandwagon without much thought about anything else, but then I don't really know you or care.
However, you saying I'm rigid, implying I can't accept anyone anyone who might like Garrosh, thats simply your prerogative. If you want to like a guy who would drag the horde back down into the same dark deeps it was in its past with the empty promise of more bloodshed, then by all means, go enjoy that... just don't except everyone else to follow that same point of you as you.
And btw, I don't care if you or dark like me or not, at least I'm honest about what I'm passionate about.
Post by
CircusofValues
However, you saying I'm rigid, implying I can't accept anyone anyone who might like Garrosh, thats simply your prerogative. If you want to like a guy who would drag the horde back down into the same dark deeps it was in its past with the empty promise of more bloodshed, then by all means, go enjoy that... just don't except everyone else to follow that same point of you as you.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You assume to know the very nature of Garrosh, thinking that Blizzard won't advance his or Thrall's relation/story at ALL in Icecrown.
That's stupid, and it makes you look stupid.
I'll revoke everything I've said and directed towards you if Blizzard doesn't do anything about it, but the simple fact of the matter is that you deem yourself a psychic of some sort, forseeing what happens in 3.3 and beyond.
Post by
Gammosh
However, you saying I'm rigid, implying I can't accept anyone anyone who might like Garrosh, thats simply your prerogative. If you want to like a guy who would drag the
horde back down into the same dark deeps it was in its past with the empty promise of more bloodshed
, then by all means, go enjoy that... just don't except everyone else to follow that same point of you as you.
Thats not gonna happen. Thrall will find a way to break the hard candy shell of Garrosh and expose the delicious nut inside....o__O....
I add to that statement that Thrall, our leader, will not hand over leadership to Garrosh in the sociopathic state that he his currently in. You respect Thrall more than anyone, have faith in him to do the right thing.
Post by
HiVolt
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You assume to know the very nature of Garrosh, thinking that Blizzard won't advance his or Thrall's relation/story at ALL in Icecrown.
That's stupid, and it makes you look stupid.
I'll revoke everything I've said and directed towards you if Blizzard doesn't do anything about it, but the simple fact of the matter is that you deem yourself a psychic of some sort, forseeing what happens in 3.3 and beyond.
I don't want to press any buttons here, I would just like a little bit of clarity.
By this reasoning, you're saying that people should wait until Garrosh gets a little more development as a character before not-liking him, correct?
Doesn't this work both ways? Shouldn't you wait to see a little more development in his character before saying that you
do
like him?
Post by
Kailhun
I've recently started reading books on the crusades and crusader states. The crusaders who stayed in the crusader states after the crusades learned to live with their muslim neighbours. They adapted to the realities of the region. This coupled with the fact that the Muslim were divided meant that despite being surrounded and undermanned the crusader states could survive.
Western knights, who dropped by every now and then to save their souls, however were fanatically anti-muslim and just wanted to charge in and kill (Deus vult! God wills it). This coupled with the Muslims becoming (forcefully) united under Saladin meant that the crusader forces smashed themselves to pieces and that the crusader states basically bled themselves to death.
Under Thrall and Sylvanas the Horde is practical: you can hate the Alliance all you like, we can't destroy them (even if we wanted to) and there are bigger problems. If there is a war between the Horde and the Alliance it's a cold war (with a few hot spots).
Garrosh however had the 'Deus vult!' attitude and just wants to attack the alliance, not only risking the destruction of the Horde but also weakening the forces of Azeroth against the many external threats.
This may be the World of
War
craft, but that doesn't mean that the war should be between the Horde and the Alliance. The war could be, and IMO is, between the forces of Azeroth and the outside threats like the scourge. The Horde and Alliance are forced to work together just to survive. Just like the crusader states and muslim would have to work together if the scourge had invaded the middle east during the eleventh and twelfth centuries.
Thrall for Warchief! Garrosh for leading the daylight charge across the minefield (It's a surprise attack; they'll never expect it.)
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