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Rogue 3.3 = OP
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Squishalot
Paladin: Bubble, LoH, Hearthstones
>.> I have a hearthstone and didn't know it...
I guess I would QQ too.
I think you wanted that under Warlocks.
No no no, they have a
health
stone, we have a
hearth
stone, as in, the other part of bubblehearth. Would've been more obvious if he'd put them side by side.
A better criticism is that we can't LoH in arena play.
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DeathBlood
CS>hit hit hit>KS (enemy trinkets) blind>CS>hit hit>KS>vanish>CS >hit hit hit>you are alive ?>premeditation>vanish>cs>KS ....
Shamans were humiliated in tbc because of "you cant do that while stunned"...
As conclusion did Vanish needed to be fixed...With no doubt YES
But is purpose of Vanish to escape or to reset fight for xyz of time?
Both. To either run away or reset fight.
The animosity toward the Rogue's playstyle is coming out. Once again, people seem to want to deny us any fair buffs because they remember "can't do that while stunned". Our damage has been nerfed drastically, so that we can't kill people in stunlock. Please stop confusing our stunlock with being OP.
If you cite that you can't beat a Rogue 1v1 because of all our control, that is an unfair argument. Of course Rogues are a better 1v1 class because of this. And you mention both Blind and Vanish, which are at best on 2 minute cooldowns, being used in a 1v1 fight. Since when does a class's viability in 1v1 measure game balance?
hit>you are alive ?>premeditation>vanish>cs>KS ....
Shamans were humiliated in tbc because of "you cant do that while stunned"...
You got your order wrong, gotta be stealthed to use premeditation. And I don't see a Shadow Dance anywhere in there.
Not to mention you cite your Shaman being your main. Shamans, the class with the fewest escapes against melee. Of course your view of the game and opinion will be biased toward melee being OP.
What's even sad is that, after our stunocks and combinations are over, most classes (if geared right with enough resilience) have a chance of fighting back and winning, since our damage was nerfed rediculously. It's because of people like you, who complain about our stunlock, that Blizzard listened and nerfed Rogues. Now we're just fragile, with no burst, but a stunlock. It just gives more incentive for us to use stunlock and use our cooldowns, since that's really all we have left now.
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DeathBlood
So as spcmack points out, if Rogues are only beating Locks 50% of the time, isn't that evidence that either Rogues are underpowered or Locks are overpowered? If Rogues are supposed to counter Locks, Rock beat Scissors, then they should be winning more than 50% of the time.
Which again is more proof against the original poster's ignorance. Rogues are actually underpowered now.
What if Rogues aren't supossed to be counters?
Wow. If Rogues weren't intended to be counters to Warlocks, all I can say is that Blizzard has been screwing up class balance for years.
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Eleazer
Hahaha, I will admit Vanish is broken, but 5 seconds that's hilarious. That would be way overpowered. As a druid, I don't even worry about rogues I jump them bleed them, and there is nothing they can do now except attempt to out last me. Pfft , that ain't going to happen. I think half a second is still too little of a time. One second was just fine, would have required a bit more skill to drop one, but at least it gives them a chance against me. I like the idea of extending it to 1 second and putting a forbearance on them where they can't attack for that 1 second, than any ticks on him will reactivate. This would eliminate the auto swing/shot that tends to pop them out of vanish regularly now.
Remember TBC when Cheat Death was an Iwin button. You drop them to 1 percent health and they could still kill you because you couldn't freaking do anything. Now cheat death is just a decent pop that can be used to save yourself. We don't want that situation again, however this is a very nice fix to a broken skill. Whether they use it to reset their attacks or to get away. 1/2 a second is nice if they don't want to put the forbearance on it.
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DeathBlood
+ Even they are fragile and squishy they have bigger representation in arena then most classes...
RMP ?
then rogues and disco priests are quite common...
Sorry, wrong. Please get your facts straight. Right now Rogues are the 8th most common class in Arena, "common" being defined as the top 100 teams in each bracket in each Battlegroup. They occupy 4%, ahead of both Death Knights and Druids tied for least common, with 2% each. Here is my source:
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/
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You also mentioned that Rogues and Disc Priests are quite common? Priests are the most common class in the Arena, occupying 20%, with Discipline being the most popular spec. So you're comparing the most common class in the Arena with the 8th most common? It's illogical to say they're both common because of one comp, RMP.
Don't get me wrong, RMP is still a very good comp. Still the most popular. But one comp is not indicative of relative balance of power one class has in comparison to all brackets, against all classes, in PvP. Rogues are not OP.
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DeathBlood
Rogues are supposed too be played in a fast hit and run style. We come in, incapacitate you, hit hard and then leave. Read the little book you get in the game and Blizz even says rogues are supposed too be one of the most lethal classes in the game.
Yes. In Blizzard's Q&A on Rogues:
"They’re a premier melee dps class -- the personification of skulking and swashbuckling flair."
"Rogues have nearly always been strong in PvP, just because their shtick of coming out of stealth to stun and then unload on an opponent translates so well to everything from Arena to random world ganking."
But it's for that reason, our natural playstyle, that we're hated. Forget that our burst damage has been nerfed terribly so that anyone with resilience can survive a stunlock. Forget that we need to blow all our cooldowns in order to survive because we're so squishy. Nope, go on and complain that our stunlock is annoying.
I agree with your whole post hazmat. This argument will never end, there will always be hatred toward Rogues.
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FalconPawnch
just seems like rouges only get buffed and never nerfed.
You just lost me there.
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