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Post by
Adamsm
He was sealed into the armour itself but since it's the Crown that was important for that damn retcon, I'm willing to bet that is where all of his power is. The rest of the Armour of the Damned should have been destroyed after Arthas was killed. However, Frostmourne was something separate from the armour, so none of Ner'zhul should be in there.
It's Blizzard....so things will probably be forgotten because that is what Blizzard does. Honestly, I think Blizzard has no idea what to do with Queen Massive #$%^; how to properly model her otco body, how to use her properly and just plain what to do with the Naga at this time. It would actually be 'interesting' if the Illidari Naga would be the ones to lead their brethren in attempting to break free of Azshara's hold....but probably not.
They've already said that the brother and half-sister from the RPG books are non-canon, so Jaina is all that is left of the royal family of Kul Tiras, which means it's going to be one of two things; the reason she's been missing all of Legion is because she went home to raise an army to try to destroy the Horde or they'll just throw out some thing that Kul Tiras was destroyed in the Cataclysm and we didn't realize that till now....which is sadly possible because you think at some point someone from the Alliance would have reached out to them.
Zandalar is whatever Zul is doing, and will probably end up as another sap of the Old Gods.
Most of the stuff for Tel Abim was from Lands of Mystery...so it's up in the air on how canon that is or if it's something that Blizzard will just get rid of.
Kezan was 'destroyed' when Deathwing caused the volcano to erupt, so they'll probably act like the other Cartels were destroyed too so they don't have to do anything with them.
Yes I know, I'm feeling very uninspired by Blizzard and I have a feeling they may be pushing to wrap up the Warcraft universe once Argus is destroyed and we end up somehow killing the Sargeras world sphere soul.
Post by
Rankkor
He was sealed into the armour itself but since it's the Crown that was important for that damn retcon, I'm willing to bet that is where all of his power is. The rest of the Armour of the Damned should have been destroyed after Arthas was killed. However, Frostmourne was something separate from the armour, so none of Ner'zhul should be in there.
And yet he is. In the questline to get the blades of the fallen prince, we have to battle Ner'zhul from within the blade and resist his corruption, even as he twists and uses the spirit of Arthas to attack us. So....... another retcon? maybe, but the point is, more of his spirit is outside of the helm.
It's Blizzard....so things will probably be forgotten because that is what Blizzard does. Honestly, I think Blizzard has no idea what to do with Queen Massive #$%^; how to properly model her otco body, how to use her properly and just plain what to do with the Naga at this time. It would actually be 'interesting' if the Illidari Naga would be the ones to lead their brethren in attempting to break free of Azshara's hold....but probably not.
I don't believe that. Blizzard has proven their creativity a thousand times over, both in warcraft, diablo, starcraft, overwatch, you name it, they can do some spectacular designs, and if they could model Helya (who is currently the only other character who resembles the most Azshara) then they can do her too without much issue. Me thinks they're just trying to reserve her for a Naz'jatar centric expansion. Since Vashj'ir was so poorly received, they'll likely pull an atlantis and make Naz'jatar rise from the seas at some point, and that'll be the new continent to explore.
They've already said that the brother and half-sister from the RPG books are non-canon, so Jaina is all that is left of the royal family of Kul Tiras, which means it's going to be one of two things; the reason she's been missing all of Legion is because she went home to raise an army to try to destroy the Horde or they'll just throw out some thing that Kul Tiras was destroyed in the Cataclysm and we didn't realize that till now....which is sadly possible because you think at some point someone from the Alliance would have reached out to them.
Ohhh I hope she tries. I sincerely hope she tries.
*cracks knuckles*
Zandalar is whatever Zul is doing, and will probably end up as another sap of the Old Gods.
The point remains that we still haven't gone there, which is why I doubt we'll be going after the void lords so soon. Leaving azeroth while there's still so much of it unexplored? unlikely. We take a few breaks from azeroth from time to time (Outland, Draenor) but most of the game centers on exploring this world.
Most of the stuff for Tel Abim was from Lands of Mystery...so it's up in the air on how canon that is or if it's something that Blizzard will just get rid of.
Well, the tel'abim bananas are still in the game, so...... (yes, I know that's not exactly a bullet-proof canon)
Yes I know, I'm feeling very uninspired by Blizzard and I have a feeling they may be pushing to wrap up the Warcraft universe once Argus is destroyed and we end up somehow killing the Sargeras world sphere soul.
This I know they wont do. They said during the blizzcon where WoD was announced that they had at least six more expansions lined up for the game, of which legion is but one. So at a minimum we're still looking at 5 more down the line. The only way I could see them killing off the golden-egg geese is if its actually making them lose money. If Everquest, a game that never managed to attain even a sliver of fame and glory than wow ever could, is still around, you bet wow will still be around for ages to come. I just don't see them getting rid of this game any time soon. At worst, wow could become free-to-play eventually, but I highly doubt they'll flat out close it down unless they manage to pull a new MMORPG out of their hats and decide to retire wow to avoid it competing against their own product.
And even then, even if they made a new MMORPG, they could still keep wow around. After all, Square Enix still keeps around FF11, despite releasing the much more popular FF14. It still even requires a sub o_O and FF11 never gained even a fraction of the power or popularity than wow did. So yeah, this game is like the amani
it nevah gunna die mon.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
I think with the Blades, since we see Arthas Lich King around the Broken Shore for those extra AP items, Arthas is sealed into them at this point; that's what he meant by when he said he only saw Darkness, since picking up Frostmourne and performing the actions took bites out of it till he picked up the Crown(based on the original lore). I don't think it's the 'real' Ner'zhul we faced off again; could have just been left overs while the actual one is in the Crown working on Bolivar. It was a weird surreal moment, but it's never mentioned again after all.
I still don't think they know what to do with Azshara; they wrote themselves into a corner all those years ago, when they mention that she's as powerful as KJ, Archi and Mannoroth...and then did nothing with it. I mean, during the Well 5-man, they could have had her actually do attacks on us, but she just sat there doing nothing. It's also the Naga thing; they don't know how to use them properly and they never really have. I mean, we have them on the Broken Shore but they aren't clear on why they are; they just kinda of showed up to fight on the Legion side? But they were fighting for the Old Gods two expacs ago...meh, just go with whatever :P I've predicted that; they'll make Naz'jatar rise up, and it'll come out the Maelstrom but still, it's Blizzard.
They've said many a thing at Blizzcon that doesn't always come to pass. I only say it because Blizzard has taken another MMO-like under it's wing; Destiny. Depending on the numbers and how it works, I could see them taking time away from WoW for other projects. It's just when we are all set to go up against the Satan of WoW(Sargeras), and the only thing that tops him is the Void Lords, Azshara and even N'Zoth kinda fall to the wayside in threats; they are there, but there's more out in the Great Dark that needs to be stopped.
I know Everquest and FF XI are still around, but their player bases aren't any where near what they used to be and XI released their final expac in 2015. I know that due to a cross over with 14, they had an event that was meant to tie up all of the final quests and just leave the game as is without any further expansions. Everquest still puts out yearly expansions, but they don't seem like they really do that much to the game; the last 3 kept the level cap at 105.
I'm not saying WoW itself will die; they'll keep it going as long as it's profitable, but I have a sinking feeling that it could end up like the drought we have at the end of Cata where the other games get lots of new releases and updates, but WoW will just limp along without major patches for long dry spells.
Post by
Rankkor
They've said many a thing at Blizzcon that doesn't always come to pass. I only say it because Blizzard has taken another MMO-like under it's wing; Destiny. Depending on the numbers and how it works, I could see them taking time away from WoW for other projects.
This would be the case if Destiny was developed by blizzard. But its not. Its developed by Bungie, blizzard is only distributing the product, likely so they can get their own slice of the pie when it comes to profit out of that franchise. They're certainly not gonna hamper their own product just to enable a different one from a different company. They're specially not gonna move the development team from wow onto an entirely different company.
That'd be the equivalent of Disney Animation Studio allocating some of their staff on Pixar, just because Disney Corporation distributes all their movies. Pixar Animation, and Disney animation are still two wholly different studios who focus on different types of movies, and just happen to be financed and distributed by the same overlord. Just like the MCU movies.
Its the same case with Destiny coming to battlenet.
It's just when we are all set to go up against the Satan of WoW(Sargeras), and the only thing that tops him is the Void Lords, Azshara and even N'Zoth kinda fall to the wayside in threats;
Doesn't mean it can't be done. We went from an expansion fighting the old gods and the aspect of death (Cataclysm) onto an expansion where the only enemies were a warmongering jerkwad (Garrosh) some distant cousins of the aqir (Mantid) and some ruthless cousins of the Tauren (Yaungol) along with some rogue titan constructs (Mogu). All of it on the background of a cutesy colorful happy-joy-joy place (Pandaria) inhabited by a very cartoonish race (Pandaren).
It still became one of the best expansions in the game, despite the threats we faced being a step down from the legion, lich king, and deathwing/old gods.
Post by
Stabhorn
Remember, we're not even going to deal with the Void Lords until Anduin is an old man. (And he's not going to be aged like Khadgar.) I think N'Zoth and Azshara can both be very credible threats to Azeroth, especially after the casualties our forces have (and will) sustain in the battle against the Legion. Assuming we do kill Sargeras this expansion, which is still up in the air, there are still worse threats to face. The Old Gods are incredibly powerful, despite the ret-cons they've endured.
Post by
Rankkor
The Old Gods are incredibly powerful, despite (or BECAUSE of) the ret-cons they've endured.
Fixed :P
The Old Gods weren't originally THAT bad. Originally, the legion was established as the biggest menace before they began pumping up the old gods, amping up their power to the point that not even sargeras could battle all of them, and how they were behind every single bad thing that ever happened in the history of forever.
Aaaand then they ret-conned it again, with Sargeras being able to solo the pantheon (The same pantheon that easily one-shotted Y'Shaarj with a single stomp) yet somehow being unable to face the other 3 on his own?
Yeah, these retcons are getting ridiculous.
Post by
Stabhorn
Holy crap, the Titans have models
Post by
Rankkor
More importantly: Turalyon and Alleria are FINALLY in the game.
I'll be honest here, seeing the 3 sisters meeting could be a very entertaining watch. Assuming it happens in-game at all. Part of me fears they're gonna leave that for a book or something.
Post by
Adamsm
Holy crap, the Titans have models
I predict that it will all be in flashbacks and nothing to do with the current game...since you know, apparently Titans are giant spheres for some reason....
More importantly: Turalyon and Alleria are FINALLY in the game.
I'll be honest here, seeing the 3 sisters meeting could be a very entertaining watch. Assuming it happens in-game at all. Part of me fears they're gonna leave that for a book or something.
It'll probably be in a book...and they'll both die in stupid unglamorous ways to make room for whatever new flavour of the month is going to take over...and or it'll be in the book only and never referenced again, like a certain elf demon hunter from the Illidan book.
Post by
morginar
Neatass Ethereals. Good to see some old void worshiping ethereals like ol BC.
Also, Void Aleria. And high elf.
And that hound with draenei faces got to be one of the ugliest mounts I hav e ever laid my eyes upon, like riding envy from FMAB. That'll give Bolvar some ideas.
Think the titans are part of the raid, though possibly like avatars like sargeras.
Mythic: Aggramar
Mythic: Eonar
And we are killing a titan this raid. Argus. That's news. So it wasn't because draenei are super mages (arrogant space goat liars, elves are the uber mages)
Post by
Stabhorn
Do we know if 7.3 is going to be the last content patch of Legion?
Post by
Rankkor
Do we know if 7.3 is going to be the last content patch of Legion?
Unconfirmed. So far, they've neither denied, nor confirmed that 7.3 is the last patch, nor if the Argus Raid is the last raid.
We'll know for sure come this blizzcon.
Post by
cephadex
Off topic as usual, but regarding the Deaths of Chromie: I can't help feeling that while most likely several people are involved, most likely the main person behind the attacks and who had written the scribbled ravings may well be
infinite Chromie
Like the 'paradox she couldn't reconcile' was some action she took at some point that resulted in the existence of infinite Chromie-- who, like other infinite dragons, believes she is 'good' and that the bronzes are in the wrong. In the scenario she's just so overly "innocent" that it almost blatantly suggests it couldn't possibly be her; and it's all just so personal to her in the first place.
Note there are no attacks at the Bronze Dragonshrine, but that could also just be because the whole thing is orchestrated by time travelers, who could be bronze or (probably) infinite.
Other people who might be involved: Jaina (all the undead stuff/the dreadlord Jaina bit-- but really hope I'm wrong here); Salandria/Dornaa (familiar handwriting, obvious bit at Caverns, demons/elementals)
Post by
Rankkor
I really REALLY should get around doing that scenario.
One of these days.......... one of these days.
Post by
Stabhorn
I really REALLY should get around doing that scenario.
One of these days.......... one of these days.
It will only take you thirty minutes to do the exploration bit of it. Beating it, on the other hand, is much harder. I really haven't devoted too much time to it after getting the pets, because I'm not a big transmog guy.
Also, I like the idea of it being Chromie. I also like the idea of it being Murozond. I know the idea of him being alive is not a popular theory, but the way I think of time travel allows for it. Since the End Time we killed him in no longer exists, then we technically never killed him.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, its confirmed, 7.3 is at the very least the last mayor patch of Legion. We may get smaller patches later on, but in terms of major content and raid tiers, Tomb of Sargeras is the end, and Argus is the last place we visit.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Well, its confirmed, 7.3 is at the very least the last mayor patch of Legion. We may get smaller patches later on, but in terms of major content and raid tiers, Tomb of Sargeras is the end, and Argus is the last place we visit.
Fitting. I wonder if we will actually fight Sargeras though? I mean, if we do, and if we kill him, it would kind of be the end of the Burning Legion as a major menace. They may have a thousand worlds under their dominion, but if you cut off that snake's head, there's no growing it back.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, its confirmed, 7.3 is at the very least the last mayor patch of Legion. We may get smaller patches later on, but in terms of major content and raid tiers, Tomb of Sargeras is the end, and Argus is the last place we visit.
Fitting. I wonder if we will actually fight Sargeras though? I mean, if we do, and if we kill him, it would kind of be the end of the Burning Legion as a major menace. They may have a thousand worlds under their dominion, but if you cut off that snake's head, there's no growing it back.
Well, datamined text from 7.3 point at a different outcome.
Warning, the following not only contains spoilers, these also lack context, so their accuracy is also questionable at best.
datamined dialog text suggests that Illidan (And potentially someone else) is gonna sacrifice themselves to serve as "Sargeras' Jailer", imprisoning the soul of the fallen titan through means unknown.
The specific line of dialog is this one: "Illidan serves as the Dark Titan's jailer. His sacrifice has ended the Legion. At long last, the Burning Crusade...is over." As you can see, not much context is offered, but they seem to be pulling the "Heroic Sacrifice" trope in play with Illiboi.
In a more delicious bit of information however, is this bit regarding the potential future of the alliance:
This was also datamined regarding the alliance. Not sure if they're talking about THE alliance, as in the blue-wearing horde-hating folks wearing the golden lion, or "the alliance" of class orders who banded together to fight the legion.
"So, your Alliance still endures. Longer than I expected, though
she has already planted the seeds of its downfall
. She is patient, that one.
When your thrones run red with betrayal... when your holy places burn and the shattered mask hangs above your hearth... only then you will know. And it will be too late."
Could this person be talking about Jaina? Ohh I do so hope its Jaina. I mean, sets with Kul Tiras have been datamined, and she is conspicuously absent throughout the entirety of legion after she threw her hissy fit at the start. And no, I REALLY hope they don't succumb to the "Jaina is a dreadlord" meme. No. I don't want her to be a dreadlord in disguise with the real jaina dead or kidnapped. Nor do I want her posessed by a dreadlord.
If garrosh could be a jerkass without being controlled by the old gods, then Jaina can be a jerkass without being controlled by a dreadlord. For crying out loud, allow a villain to simply be a villain once in a while >_>
Post by
oneforthemoney
This was also datamined regarding the alliance. Not sure if they're talking about THE alliance, as in the blue-wearing horde-hating folks wearing the golden lion, or "the alliance" of class orders who banded together to fight the legion.
"So, your Alliance still endures. Longer than I expected, though
she has already planted the seeds of its downfall
. She is patient, that one.
When your thrones run red with betrayal... when your holy places burn and the shattered mask hangs above your hearth... only then you will know. And it will be too late."
Could this person be talking about Jaina? Ohh I do so hope its Jaina. I mean, sets with Kul Tiras have been datamined, and she is conspicuously absent throughout the entirety of legion after she threw her hissy fit at the start. And no, I REALLY hope they don't succumb to the "Jaina is a dreadlord" meme. No. I don't want her to be a dreadlord in disguise with the real jaina dead or kidnapped. Nor do I want her posessed by a dreadlord.
If garrosh could be a jerkass without being controlled by the old gods, then Jaina can be a jerkass without being controlled by a dreadlord. For crying out loud, allow a villain to simply be a villain once in a while >_>
I dunno. Broken Mask sounds an awful lot like the Forsaken emblem.
Post by
Rankkor
This was also datamined regarding the alliance. Not sure if they're talking about THE alliance, as in the blue-wearing horde-hating folks wearing the golden lion, or "the alliance" of class orders who banded together to fight the legion.
"So, your Alliance still endures. Longer than I expected, though
she has already planted the seeds of its downfall
. She is patient, that one.
When your thrones run red with betrayal... when your holy places burn and the shattered mask hangs above your hearth... only then you will know. And it will be too late."
Could this person be talking about Jaina? Ohh I do so hope its Jaina. I mean, sets with Kul Tiras have been datamined, and she is conspicuously absent throughout the entirety of legion after she threw her hissy fit at the start. And no, I REALLY hope they don't succumb to the "Jaina is a dreadlord" meme. No. I don't want her to be a dreadlord in disguise with the real jaina dead or kidnapped. Nor do I want her posessed by a dreadlord.
If garrosh could be a jerkass without being controlled by the old gods, then Jaina can be a jerkass without being controlled by a dreadlord. For crying out loud, allow a villain to simply be a villain once in a while >_>
I dunno. Broken Mask sounds an awful lot like the Forsaken emblem.
It will be interesting to find out, that's for sure. Like I said, there's no context to that line, and on top of that, what is said is ambiguous as all hell, so there's dozens of potential interpretations.
It could be talking about the loose alliance of orders trying to fight the legion on argus. Or it could be talking about "The Alliance" faction that opposes the horde.
Broken Mask could indeed refer to the forsaken, but it could also refer to the mask of sanity she's been wearing to fool everyone else.
I sincerely hope they are not talking about Sylvanas. For far more reasons than just being a horde fan at the core.
For starters, its predictable as all hell. Ohh groovy, the evil-looking lady that has done so much questionable and despicable things is *GASP* actually evil? its just too predictable, and lacks any kind of imagination or creativity. It would be like Snape actually being the villain in the first Harry Potter book, as opposed to more innocent or harmless-looking characters.
But secondly, and more importantly, she's the warchief of the horde now. She's very much the last person I'd want in the position (rivaled only by maybe Gallywix), but what's done is done, she's Warchief now. If she goes evil, that means we have to put her down. And this would mean what, fourth warchief BACK-TO-BACK that we have to lose? That would be 5000 flavors of unfair for anyone who loves the horde. We've had to endure watching warchief after warchief either die, or step down. For Naaru's sakes, I just want some stability. At the rate this is going, we're spending warchiefs faster than Hogwarts spent their "Defense against the Dark Arts" teachers.
So yeah, REALLY hoping its not Sylvanas, but Jaina instead.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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