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Post by
Adamsm
Yes but Legion has to succeed first :P
Post by
Rankkor
Yes but Legion has to succeed first :P
Not really. WoD failed miserably, and yet the game moves on. Frankly, blizzard is one of the richest game companies in the world. So successful are they, that they don't even need to peddle their wares in E3 or PAX, or anything like that. Instead they have their own exclusive convention, which is always full to bursting, and its tickets sell out in mere seconds. Now that their eggs are not in a single basket (wow) but rather spread very evenly across multiple very succesful franchises (HOTS, Hearthstone, and soon Overwatch) blizzard will have the capital to continue to push wow forward, even if every single expansion from now own will be as bad as WoD or worse (And lets pray they're not)
I don't really see this game fizzling out any time soon. Less successful, less popular, less widely acclaimed games, hosted by massively inferior companies, have managed to survive for far longer, such as everquest or Ultima. If they did it, wow will do it too.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Yeah. Realistically, they still have a huge fan and user base. So long as WoW makes money, they'll keep pumping it out.
Although it has developed into more of a market scheme, I suspect. I think that's why they want to push out more expansions faster. For one thing, you get the immediate profit of purchases for the expansion, and secondly, each time a new one is released, old players flock back, boosting the sub numbers significantly. For all the four months it takes those players to do your content when patches offer nothing significantly new. Unfortunately, that sort of money grabbing has a lot of problems, but we'll see how they do with one expansion being lackluster and hopefully more experimental for the one to follow.
Post by
morginar
Random question I'm hoping someone can clarify for me. Shaman are individuals who commune with the elements, but the elements are chaotic and destructive beings. Warlocks, on the other hand, consort with demons, who are obviously chaotic and destructive beings as well. Why are warlocks feared and despised for doing what it seems like Shaman are doing as well, while Shaman are revered and followed? At least the Warlocks bend the destructive powers to their will; Shaman are actually making friends with the elements and asking them for power! Maybe I'm missing something here....
Elements are not inherently chaotic. The elements of Azeroth are in a state of chaos since time immemoreal. Since as the Chronicle stated. The Azeroth-titan ate the element: spirit, thus leaving the elements in disorder. Draenor are in order, as the elements are there. Though Cho-gal took the earth-lord, thus the elemental plateau turned into what it is.
There are two kinds of shaman. Spirit shaman. Then the elements are giving the shaman power by the use of element spirit. They can withdraw it at any moment.
Decay shaman. Are also known as dark shaman, they are the reverse, if you see it as a contract. As they are slave masters of the elements. They use element: decay to do this. Taunka and twilight hammer use this, so does garrosh philosophy of "orcs take what they want, not ask".
Warlocks are feared in general civilization due to fear of demons. Elements are respected in westside horde. Demons are seen as evil, thus a man using their power are seen as "evil". But this is also race to race. The blood elf orphan consider becoming a warlock (and rock star), whilst garrosh executed a large number of warlocks because of prejudice.
The demon/warlock relation is more dark shaman like. The demon is your slave. The felguard want to bash your head in. The voidwalker want to return.
While a shaman can become a healer and restore life. Affliction warlock is based on making others suffer as much as possible, and drain their life (bit like a vampire, but more stargate atlantis style than blood drinking ones).
For more lore, cross your fingers for legion. As it may grant us more insight into warlocks and their relation to others.
Whereas a shaman can struck a bargain with a water elemental to bring rain to a drought-affected farm Or as Drek'thar said to thrall. Something like. You can ask the elements for what you need, not for greed, you can't ask the element to turn alterac valley into a tropical paradise. But for a good hunt.
Post by
Rankkor
ugh
Just the first 30 seconds of this hour and a half behind the scenes for warlords made me facepalm.
We have this guy here (not even sure who that is) saying "its important when you do a time-travel story to not cheat, to not say "well, we can do anything because we're traveling in time", that's not fun because its too open ended, but, if you can find specific things, that you can go back and change, and create this cascading effect through the rest of the story, that can be tremendous fun."
And cue the facepalm. Because in WoD there was no cascading effect. Quite literally NOTHING that took place on draenor had any effect on Azeroth. None of the forces we met there went back to the main timeline with us, the iron horde did nothing on our timeline, pretty much the only consequence of the entire expansion is that Gul'dan came back, and frankly, there were far less convoluted ways to make that happen which SHOULD have happened in a book.
But his commentary on "changing specific things to create a cascading effect" falls flat on itself, not only after the expansion is over, but also during the expansion itself, because the whole point of WoD was this idea of an orcish horde, untainted by demon blood, and enhanced with modern technology, therefore being allegedly stronger, mightier, and more dangerous than the original Old Horde. But then they drank demon blood anyways.
Way to change something specific. Wow, the cascading effect is mindblowing mate.
ugh.
#HateWoD
Post by
Rankkor
Well,
he's gone
=/
Between this, and the memorial built in the new stormwind park, I don't think there's any real ambiguity regarding the fates of V and V.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Well,
he's gone
=/
Between this, and the memorial built in the new stormwind park, I don't think there's any real ambiguity regarding the fates of V and V.
His reign as Warchief shall always be remembered. Like that time he uh...he um...Remember that time he spoke during the WoD cinematic? And when he told Varian that he was the Horde?
Yeah. Good times.
Post by
morginar
Well,
he's gone
=/
Between this, and the memorial built in the new stormwind park, I don't think there's any real ambiguity regarding the fates of V and V.
Somehow this is horde bias and the alliance is the most affected.
ugh
Just the first 30 seconds of this hour and a half behind the scenes for warlords made me facepalm.
We have this guy here (not even sure who that is) saying "its important when you do a time-travel story to not cheat, to not say "well, we can do anything because we're traveling in time", that's not fun because its too open ended, but, if you can find specific things, that you can go back and change, and create this cascading effect through the rest of the story, that can be tremendous fun."
And cue the facepalm. Because in WoD there was no cascading effect. Quite literally NOTHING that took place on draenor had any effect on Azeroth. None of the forces we met there went back to the main timeline with us, the iron horde did nothing on our timeline, pretty much the only consequence of the entire expansion is that Gul'dan came back, and frankly, there were far less convoluted ways to make that happen which SHOULD have happened in a book.
But his commentary on "changing specific things to create a cascading effect" falls flat on itself, not only after the expansion is over, but also during the expansion itself, because the whole point of WoD was this idea of an orcish horde, untainted by demon blood, and enhanced with modern technology, therefore being allegedly stronger, mightier, and more dangerous than the original Old Horde. But then they drank demon blood anyways.
Way to change something specific. Wow, the cascading effect is mindblowing mate.
ugh.
#HateWoD
When the iron horde was introduced I considered it a lesser threat compared to the dark horde. From it's questing I saw that it was still in early stages compared to the MU. As evil Gul'dan might be. He did unite the clans far more than Grom, every clan was on the demonic ship, frostwolf included. Grom attacked premature and on his hellscream arrogance we see Garrosh have.
One disappointing thing about the time travel plot is that we don't see any of it save one quest, the one where you kill the ghost of Kairoz. It had good lore about early draenor. Especialy about the Arakkoa and a little about the draenei. But we can call them space elves now, rangarii? Mo like Ranger .2 to much night elf themes IMHO.
Post by
Rankkor
Well,
he's gone
=/
Between this, and the memorial built in the new stormwind park, I don't think there's any real ambiguity regarding the fates of V and V.
His reign as Warchief shall always be remembered. Like that time he uh...he um...Remember that time he spoke during the WoD cinematic? And when he told Varian that he was the Horde?
Yeah. Good times.
I'll always remember fondly that one time he traveled through time and space to another planet on an alternate dimension, just to give me pat on the shoulder, tell me I did good, and then ask me to build a harbor for my mini-city. And then he went straight back home. He could have just sent a letter, but nope, he decided that one action was important enough to do in person.
That was cool.
Well,
he's gone
=/
Between this, and the memorial built in the new stormwind park, I don't think there's any real ambiguity regarding the fates of V and V.
Somehow this is horde bias and the alliance is the most affected.
I wish this was just sarcasm for the sake of comedy, but yes, there are some alliance fans that are STILL claiming somehow THEY got the shaft here.
Look
He still has the balls to say "the horde lost nothing". At least King Chin had a pretty good run during his time on the game. He has practically been the sole focus of attention in the alliance ever since he was introduced. Every single event related to the alliance during WOTLK was directly linked to him, and he showed up with spoken dialog in every.single.patch.
His presence in cataclysm was equally large, and MoP was one after another just him getting the spotlight over and over.
Meanwhile, what exactly did Vol'jin get? Poor vol'jin got exactly one moment of awesome during the retaking of the echo isles (Which the trolls actually won, unlike those silly gnomes) and then he got demoted to just standing around, saying a couple of lines, and not doing much of anything. He got some mild attention during 5.1 and 5.3, and a book, but after he became Warchief, he did zilch during the entirety of WoD save for one brief blink&miss cameo, and then he just dies in the broken shore. Not go missing, he actually dies in it. As in: they bring his body back alive to orgrimmar, and then he dies, and his body is cremated. There's no ambiguity there. He's dead dead.
Varian at least got MASSIVE amounts of attention, and even the opening cinematic of Legion was focused entirely on him. Vol'jin got scraps, and when he finally had his hour, he gets taken out. And to rub salt in the wound, rather than put Baine, or better yet, Lor'themar as the next warchief, we get frigging sylvanas, a leader that unless she somehow gets some sort of redemption story in Legion, is just destined to become the next garrosh.
I wont even pretend to be surprised when she goes evil ,and becomes what, the fifth warchief in a row we lose?
God-DAMMIT BLIZZARD!!!!!!!!! >_>
And after having seen a video of the thing, yep, Vol'jin is gone. He's still alive when they bring him back to Orgrimmar, and he personally appoints Sylvanas as Warchief. This wasn't decided to a vote. Just as Thrall unilaterally appointed Garrosh as warchief, Vol'jin unilaterally appointed Sylvanas as his successor before kicking the bucket.
This will not end well.
Mark my words and requote them when the #$%& hits the fan.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Rankkor
In less depressing news, Nathanos Blightcaller has a new model.
He no longer looks like a generic forsaken, he looks like a human death knight, but with glowy red eyes instead of blue.
Also, he and sylvanas REALLY act and talk to each other like an old married couple. The ship tease is through the roof here. I would not be surprised in the least if they're secret lovers (And thus the longstanding tradition of the Windrunners to hook up only with humans, continues on even in death)
Post by
Rankkor
Well, this is absolutely priceless......
Remember how the achievement "Death to the Warchief" was updated when Thrall was replaced by garrosh (may his name be covered in disgrace and shame for all ages to come) as Warchief of the Horde? and how it was updated again when Vol'jin replaced garrosh (whose dishonor will forever tarnish his family name for all generations to come) as warchief?
Well, things go a different route in Legion. Sylvanas is the new warchief, but the achievement for killing her remains the same. Saurfang officially becomes the leader of the orcs, and the guy sitting in Grommash Hold. The achievement for previously killing the warchief is now renamed "Orgrimmar Offensive". And its description is just priceless.
"Damage High Overlord Saurfang, until he humors you by pretending to die".
LMAO. Poor alliance, thinking they can seriously kill Saurfang!!!! :P
Post by
oneforthemoney
Ha! That's amazing. Good to see Blizz at least still has their sense of humour.
Post by
Rankkor
Well damn son, They really are taking a few pages off George RR Martin for legion. Major characters dropping like flies? Check. Minor characters we've only seen once also dropping like flies? Check.
Purges? check.
During the artifact quest for Assassination rogues, it turns out that Althea Ebonlocke, commander of the Night Watch in duskwood, is a traitor O_O part of a Legion-worshiping cult, and she has been secretly inducting every single member of the watch into the cult over the years. And in Legion, they make their move, and proceed to
slaughter the entire population of Darkshire.
That's right, the Night Watch goes rogue, and straight-up murders the entire town.
And speaking of cults.....
Guess who the new leader of what remains of the Twilight Hammer is? Go on, Guess. Yep, the new leader of the Church of the Holy Light. Bishop Farthing.
At this point, we may as well assume the entire church is compromised.
What I'd really like to know is........ why isn't the alliance doing a purge on that cathedral? They purged the sunreavers out of dalaran (Civilians included) and murdered innocent shopkeepers in the streets, and fed people to sharks, and tortured innocent men and women, just because two extremely low-ranking members of them turned traitors (Without the consent or knowledge of the rest). But then do nothing when basically the entire leadership of the Church of the Holy Light is just a pack of Old God worshipers.
Pfft, typical alliance hypocrisy >_>
Post by
oneforthemoney
Seems like more of a reasonable reaction, and further proof Jaina really went off the deep end. It's telling that just about no one in the Alliance upper echelons takes her advice on anything lately. Though realistically, she could be replaced with a parrot seeing as her advice can be summed up as: "Kill the Horde!"
But still, What a shame. I really liked Darkshire, and the Nightwatch was a neat organization. Just regular men and women taking up arms to defend their homes.
And...slaughter their home, apparently. Hm. Certainly a lot of changes taking place in Warcraft. Even more than Cataclysm it seems. At least to things we actually care about.
Post by
morginar
Guess they want to make a update on stagnating zones
Also the alliance is a self righteous bunch whose words don't add up to their actions.
And why is nathanos looking like a dark ranger? Rather than a undead hunter. Also my stance on human elf relationships remain unchanging, old cliche is old.
Post by
Rankkor
Seems like more of a reasonable reaction, and further proof Jaina really went off the deep end.
It's telling that just about no one in the Alliance upper echelons takes her advice on anything lately.
Though realistically, she could be replaced with a parrot seeing as her advice can be summed up as: "Kill the Horde!"
Not everyone. Greymane and Admiral Rodgers are extremely chummy with Jaina, and more or less the only people who share her obsession with killing every single member of the horde. Also, the reason I call hypocrisy on this, is because to this day, the rest of the alliance is completely unapologetic about what happened (Much the same way as they were unapologetic for Garithos) and in fact, Aethas Sunreaver has to beg and scrape to be allowed back into the city. Even though at this point its beyond shadow of doubt that what they did to the Sunreavers was unjustified in just about every single level, and its THEM who should be apologizing for that pretty severe action. However.......
I'm more bugged out by the very perplexing lack of explanation for Jaina's absence though.
You do the broken shore event as alliance, Varian dies, Anduin asks Jaina if she'll mobilize the Kirin Tor, Jaina swears that not a single member of the horde will ever set foot on "
her
" city, and leaves in a hissy fit. Then quite literally 15 minutes later, you step into dalaran, and boom, one city district is named after sylvanas, there's horde members everywhere, and even shopkeepers are from horde races (including forsaken) and now Khadgar leads the Council of Six. And there's absolutely no mention of Jaina whatsoever. Its like she gets retconned out of existence.
Its equally jarring as horde. Since last time we were there, we had to rescue our Sunreaver brothers and sisters from a slaughter, and had to flee through the sewers. Now all of the sudden, we just come back, just like that.
But still, What a shame. I really liked Darkshire, and the Nightwatch was a neat organization. Just regular men and women taking up arms to defend their homes.
And...slaughter their home, apparently. Hm. Certainly a lot of changes taking place in Warcraft. Even more than Cataclysm it seems. At least to things we actually care about.
Upon closer inspection, they didn't murder the ENTIRE town. A single member of the Watch refused to join the traitors, and holed up in one of the houses, along with about six survivors. Everyone else bit it though. And the major of the town, as well as Althea's dad were in on the treason. They planned to sacrifice the entire town and offer their blood on a ritual to the burning legion to do............ something in stormwind. I'm not sure what, because the quest bugs out after that, and phasing issues prevent me to complete it at the moment.
But yes, even as horde, you gotta infiltrate stormwind and save the city from this legion cult with the aid of Garona
And why is nathanos looking like a dark ranger?
You can ask him why he looks so different....... and he just gets snappy and tells you to mind your own damned business xD
Post by
oneforthemoney
Seems like more of a reasonable reaction, and further proof Jaina really went off the deep end.
It's telling that just about no one in the Alliance upper echelons takes her advice on anything lately.
Though realistically, she could be replaced with a parrot seeing as her advice can be summed up as: "Kill the Horde!"
Not everyone. Greymane and Admiral Rodgers are extremely chummy with Jaina, and more or less the only people who share her obsession with killing every single member of the horde. Also, the reason I call hypocrisy on this, is because to this day, the rest of the alliance is completely unapologetic about what happened (Much the same way as they were unapologetic for Garithos) and in fact, Aethas Sunreaver has to beg and scrape to be allowed back into the city. Even though at this point its beyond shadow of doubt that what they did to the Sunreavers was unjustified in just about every single level, and its THEM who should be apologizing for that pretty severe action. However.......
I'm more bugged out by the very perplexing lack of explanation for Jaina's absence though.
You do the broken shore event as alliance, Varian dies, Anduin asks Jaina if she'll mobilize the Kirin Tor, Jaina swears that not a single member of the horde will ever set foot on "
her
" city, and leaves in a hissy fit. Then quite literally 15 minutes later, you step into dalaran, and boom, one city district is named after sylvanas, there's horde members everywhere, and even shopkeepers are from horde races (including forsaken) and now Khadgar leads the Council of Six. And there's absolutely no mention of Jaina whatsoever. Its like she gets retconned out of existence.
Ah, well, Greymane I can understand seeing what happened to his whole nation, and Rodgers is just a racist (albeit not as bad a one as Garithos). But that is odd about Jaina. Well, beta is beta. They'll probably pencil her in somewhere.
Still, I think the whole purge thing
might
be considered more of a domestic issue by the Alliance as a whole. Like how the Allies as a whole never apologized for the whole internment of the Japanese in their soil. It's more fractioned. Maybe that's why they named a section after Sylvanas, kicked out Jaina, let the rest of the Horde back in and disbanded the Silver Covenant. Some sort of attempt at reparations by the Kirin Tor personally.
Post by
Rankkor
And the purging continues. They definitely got some inspiration from RR Martin for this thing.
So far, Stromgarde had everyone on it killed by galen in an attempted revolution/reclamation that ends with the place being a deserted ruin. Darkshire had 90% of the population sacrificed by the Night Watch in an attempt to offer a blood sacrifice to the legion. And now Peak of Serenity in pandaria, gets wrecked.
When you do the monk exclusive quests, all the monks in azeroth travel to the Peak of Serenity, where the elder monks convene in secret to assess the situation and determine the next course of action. Only to reveal that the legion launched a surprise attack on the temple. A majority of the students die, the Grand Master of the order dies, the temple itself goes up in smoke in a humongous explosion, and the monks have to relocate to the Wandering Isle, which is virtually inaccessible by the legion, since its never in one place at any given time, and its surrounded by the mists of shao-hao.
And there goes one of my favorite places in the world =(
They're really pulling the kid's gloves off this time.
Post by
Adamsm
I think they are just ruining the world so that there is a chance of a 'new homeworld' storyline for the next expac :P But seriously, just lazy writing at this point.
Post by
Rankkor
So, Class Halls.....
They're kinda like garrisons, except they're supposed to be less annoying. One aspect of them, is the champions, which is kinda like the follower system, but in a much smaller scale. There's only 8 total per class, and you can only ever hold 5 at any time. All of them have some sort of trait that can aid you out in the field. From passive chances of them popping out of nowhere to attack or heal you, to active cooldown abilities you can use when on certain zones, to one of them getting the bodyguard trait and thus accompanying you to the field to fight at your side.
Unfortunately only one champion per class gets the bodyguard trait, and I'm VERY disappointed on who gets it for DKs, and most other classes. Its like they picked the least cool champion for each class and then made THAT ONE to be the only one that can accompany you out into the field.
Its Koltira U_U I wanted my bodyguard to be Whitemane because of........... reasons.
But seriously, how is it that from a list that includes Mograine, Nazgrim, Whitemane, Trollbane, Thassarian, and Koltira, we get as bodyguard the one we've interacted with the least out of the whole bunch? Yes he's a blood elf, and yes I love blood elves, and normally I'd be stoked to have him as a companion, but its just that the rest of the DKs on that list are SO much better than him.
Same deal happens with the paladins. Their bodyguard is Arathor, the son of Turalyon and Alleria. Instead of Liandrin or Aponi, or Dezco (Who BTW is nowhere to be found)
For rogues, their bodyguard is Vanessa Vancleef, when I really wish it could be Garona.
For Mages, its Archmage Modera (Which means I wont have a bodyguard on my mage. That cold hag can rot for all I care.)
For Monks its the Monkey King (instead of Li Li or Chen, the ones I actually wanted)
For warriors, its a random Vrykul (all of their champions are new lore figures, except for a surprise one I did NOT expect to see in there)
Haven't seen yet who the other bodyguards are for the other classes.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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