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Post by
Rankkor
So it looks like Anduin Lothar won't be the only dead badass in Valhalla. Squee!
Cairne Bloodhoof
- Added in patch 7.0.1
I'm hoping there's more. Even if they're just background NPCs with little to no dialog, I'd still love to see the likes of Doomhammer, or Broxigar in there (Though broxigar is unlikely, given that he didn't even die on azeroth and all that)
Post by
Morec0
A quick thought I had:
While they're cool and all, anyone else feel like the constant variations of ancients races like the tauren and elves are getting a little tiring? Now many more ways can we put different horns on something and call it new?
Post by
Rankkor
No different than the many different variations of orcs. So far we have Brown orcs(Mag'har), Red orcs(Fel), Green orcs, Gray Orcs(Dragonmaw) (not even sure where the hell these came from) Purple Orcs(WoD!Fel) (Again, no clue why in WoD suddenly drinking demon blood turns you purple when in every other version its green or red) Albino Orcs(Shattered Hand), Yellow Orcs (Mok'nathal) etc.
Dwarves got it pretty bad too, There's Flesh dwarves, Stone dwarves, Sand Dwarves, Iron dwarves,
Duergar
Dark Iron Dwarves, Frost Dwarves, and even among the flesh ones, there's Tattooed Dwarves(Wildhammer), Cave-dwelling Dwarves(Bronzebeard) and Hill Dwarves.
Compared to that, Tauren got it relatively tame, since there's only Bull Tauren(Normal), Yak Tauren(Yaungol), Moose Tauren(Highmountain Clan), and Bison Tauren(Taunka) of which only the males look different, as the females all look the same.
Of course, Elves are still the reigning champions when it comes to sub-species. These guys have the most unstable genome I've ever witnessed in fiction xD its like creating a sub-breed of them is easier than making sub-breeds of dogs and cats.
Lets count'em up: Night Elves, Naga, Satyr, High Elves, Blood Elves, Felblood Elves, Wretched, Darkfallen (AKA: Vampires), and now the new Nightborne, and Nightfallen.
And this is not counting the elves who became worgen (Both because worgens now encompass anyone with the curse of elune, and because currently worgens are 99% humans turned wolf) and not counting the many variations of the progenitor elven race: The Trolls. I'm also not counting the many variations of undead elves that exist, from Banshees to Dark Rangers.
If we did include every single variation that is even remotely associated to elves, I think there'd be close to
TWENTY FIVE
different variants of elves in this game. Holy #$%& O_O
Post by
Morec0
Hmmm, fair point.
Another thought I had: you can change one minor facet of Warcraft lore (so not like anything relating of the larger overall plots but more sidequests and the like). What would you change?
Post by
Rankkor
Thrall meeting Aggra.
It marked the turning point where he went from "Badass Warchief Liberator" to "Henpecked Husband Wimp"
I bet Badass Warchief Liberator Thrall would not have sit idle by as Garrosh turned the horde back to the Old Horde.
Post by
Adamsm
Thrall filling in for the Earth Warder.
Post by
Behelich
Blackthorn the bandit lord appearing in World of Warcraft, preferably seen as a living collaborationist with the Forsaken.
Post by
Rankkor
Why can't the vry'kul be playable?
Why?
D=
Post by
oneforthemoney
Too tall. If we make gnomes and goblins look any shorter we'd have to remove them.
Post by
Rankkor
You do realize that male trolls are the tallest NPCs in the game right? its not very noticeable because of their hunched stance, but if they were to actually stand upright they'd tower over even taurens. Heck, look at the Siege of Orgrimmar ending cinematic. Vol'jin is practically crouching down and he is STILL taller than Varian, who himself is taller than the average human. Also goblins are not that short, they're about as tall as dwarves.
Gnomes do have a problem though :P A gnome next to a vry'kul would look hilarious.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I don't have to realize anything. It's because of people like you they teach us about how we came from monkeys in schools!
But as for Vyrkul, I suppose either there's just not enough of them left, or they are just too belligerent to join either faction. To be fair, we did kind of kill their god. And their king. And his wife. But who knows? Blizz seems to have no plans of stopping making expansions. Maybe they will return as a faction race when Bolvar goes evil in
Wrath of the Lich King 2. Wrath Harder.
Post by
Rankkor
I don't have to realize anything. It's because of people like you they teach us about how we came from monkeys in schools!
D=
But as for Vyrkul, I suppose either there's just not enough of them left, or they are just too belligerent to join either faction. To be fair, we did kind of kill their god. And their king. And his wife. But who knows? Blizz seems to have no plans of stopping making expansions. Maybe they will return as a faction race when Bolvar goes evil in
Wrath of the Lich King 2. Wrath Harder.
I'm still holding out the hope that he wont go evil later on. Praying that they wont be that obvious. Praying that they can actually surprise us in a good way, rather than go down the predictable road. Its a fool's hope, but still.
Also regarding Vry'kuls, yeah the northrend branch we pretty much busted any chance of them joining us, but look, now we have a brand new never-before-heard-of tribe of vry'kuls totally unrelated to the ones in northrend in a completely different continent. Just as we end up discovering never-before-seen variants of taurens and elves and dwarves and orcs in each expansion, I keep hoping we will keep discovering new variants of Vry'kuls and that eventually..... eventually one of them will join us. OR at least the horde. Yeah, I want them on the horde. Preferably. Though if they were to be added to the alliance exclusively, that would actually be the first thing to seriously tempt me to race-change my main and faction-swap.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Honestly, I have a hard time seeing how they can't. They are literally down to the dregs of villains, and have been reduced to bringing back those long dead. Not that it's something new, but come on. Xavius has died about four times now. I half expect the reason he joined the Legion again is to finally die and stay dead.
Post by
Rankkor
Whelp, just saw the video of the scenario where you get the Enhancement Shaman artifact.
That is one HUGE steaming pile of BS.
Could someone please tell me, since when is it wrong to kill Garrosh? seriously...... :S Guys who've done less crimes than that jerk have been cleaved in two without anyone batting an eyelash. But touch one proverbial hair on garrosh's head and all of the sudden you're the worst piece of scum on the face of azeroth.
How the #$%& does that work?
Post by
oneforthemoney
Whelp, just saw the video of the scenario where you get the Enhancement Shaman artifact.
That is one HUGE steaming pile of BS.
Could someone please tell me, since when is it wrong to kill Garrosh? seriously...... :S Guys who've done less crimes than that jerk have been cleaved in two without anyone batting an eyelash. But touch one proverbial hair on garrosh's head and all of the sudden you're the worst piece of scum on the face of azeroth.
How the #$%& does that work?
Well clearly because Gromm and his bloodline are like, the best thing ever. How do you not get that by now? The minute you do anything wrong to that family you are at once a complete jerk. I mean sure, they led a rampaging warband into Azeroth, slaughtering women and children indiscriminately, twice, and tried to commit several scales of genocide, but they had a tough life. And besides, the Legion were mean to them.
Post by
Rankkor
it just drives me nuts. I mean, Grom at least did SOME good in his life, but Garrosh was a complete screw-up from day one.
Alienating allies, indiscriminately attacking non-combatants, being bi-polar as all hell, damning his people to a form of enslavement worse than the legion, OLD GODS for fricks sakes....... but no, anyone who kills him is a horrible horrible person.
In the scenario for the Doomhammer Artifact for Enhancement Shamans, turns out that Thrall is an Ex-shaman now. The elements refuse to talk to him, and the doomhammer no longer has any magical properties in his hands, because he killed garrosh with it............ ARE THEY #$%&ING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?! The elements refuse to talk to him............... because he killed
GARROSH
of all people? WHY? Why is that gigantic putrefied piece of rat rectum so holy that his killer is now shunned by the very elements? Sweet jesus :S If anything, the elements should be giving Thrall collective high-fives for the rest of his life. I mean, Garrosh taught the shamans of not one, but TWO worlds how to bend the elements and force them into enslavery. So not only did he enslave two generations of orcs across two different timelines, he also enslaved the elements across two different worlds.
WHY is his death supposed to be rewarded with cold silence?(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
oneforthemoney
I think this might be a case of Blizz overcompensating to the orc jesus thing, like how Garrosh went from a depressed moper about his dad to sudden hero worshiping axe crazed lord shoulder pads. It's swinging Doomhammer wild without direction.
But what might save it is that it could be Thrall's own guilt that's blocking this whole thing. It won't make it better, but it would be the only way I could see it make sense. Let's face it. Ever since Cata Thrall has...Well, he's been a mess of a character. Before Cata if you count the books. This is just another symptom of Blizz desperately trying to make him relevant to the current story, or at least give the writers something to do. They're trying to string out his character more because he's the face of WoW. It's just that they suck at it. Oh boy do they suck at it. But that's been understood for a while now...
Post by
Adamsm
I'm glad to see it; considering how he beat Garrosh, after the way the fight was set up, it's only fair. Though if you think about it, every other time Thrall put the beat down on someone, he did it with his own strength and not drawing on the powers of the Elements. After all, what is the one thing that Shamans are told time and time again: Ask for the power, never take and never ask them to do more then they expect if the person in question can do it on their own.
Personally though......I'm glad to see Green Jesus finally getting taken down, but sadly the next Golden based novel(after the novelization of the movie) will boost him right back up /sigh
Post by
Rankkor
I'm glad to see it; considering how he beat Garrosh, after the way the fight was set up, it's only fair.
Why? how many times do I have to say it? There is not, nor has it ever been a single time where in Mak'gora its forbidden to use magic. You use whatever means you have to achieve victory.
is it because he used magic against a foe that didn't have it? Because you HEAVILY defended that practice when it was me criticizing Turalyon using magic against Orgrim, when his foe was both wounded, and lacked magic of his own.
What is it about how he beat garrosh that makes him deserving of such a disservice to his character?
Though if you think about it, every other time Thrall put the beat down on someone, he did it with his own strength and not drawing on the powers of the Elements.
False
. Man, you got a really bad memory.
He used his powers when he fought against Mannoroth (he lost, but still, he used his powers). He used his powers on his first duel with garrosh (not in the game, but in the comic which is the canonical version). He used his powers on his second duel against Blackmoore (In Twilight of the Aspects). He used his powers against Benedictus. He used his powers against Varimathras. He used his powers against Gallywix. He used his powers against Deathwing. And he used his powers against Garrosh during the Siege of Orgrimmar.
There's plenty of times where he confronted other people, both alone and with company, where he used his powers and all was peachy. Also, "his own strength and not drawing on the power of the elements"? Ta'hell? dude, the power of the elements IS a shaman's strength. To ask a shaman to fight without the elements, is like asking a warrior to fight without their arms and legs. Yes, Thrall used to be both a warrior and a shaman, but a big part of his character arc during The Shattering was shedding his warrior side away, and focus exclusively, and entirely on the shamanic path.
To then ask him to put aside his shamanistic side is like me asking you to defeat someone while all your limbs are tied and your eyes are blindfolded.
After all, what is the one thing that Shamans are told time and time again: Ask for the power, never take and never ask them to do more then they expect if the person in question can do it on their own.
A: Thrall never took anything. He asked the elements of draenor to help him put down a very dangerous threat that had already caused enough damage to two worlds, and they accepted.
B: Where does it says that the elements will only help you if you can't do it on your own?
Personally though......I'm glad to see Green Jesus finally getting taken down, but sadly the next Golden based novel(after the novelization of the movie) will boost him right back up /sigh
hey, if you like seeing thrall taken down a few pegs because you dislike the character, that's fine. But don't act like this is justified in any way from the plot's perspective.
I agree with money's assessment. This is blizzard going in the extreme opposite direction when it comes to blatant pandering. They rubbed garrosh in everyone's faces until we puked and still not one person liked him. So they went in the extreme opposite direction in MoP and demonized him in the most unsubtle way I've seen, making him a borderline caricature of a saturday morning cartoon.
Same goes with Thrall. They've done quite a lot to try to make him the centerpiece of the horde, but went about it in pretty much the worst ways possible (Thrall was easily one of the most liked characters prior to cataclysm) and it resulted in the character getting some well deserved hate. So now they're trying to compensate for it by heaping piles upon piles of punishment on him without any plausible plot justification.
The elements forsaking Thrall just because he killed garrosh makes no gorram sense. >_>
Post by
Skreeran
Hey, remember Saurfang? Everyone loved him! Fan favorite, #1 pick for Warchief. That guy sure was cool. I wonder what happened to him?
Oh, right. He was left to rot in Northrend forever.
Wait, no, that's not right! He got a few lines in War Crimes; that's a thing, right? And then they brought him back for Warlords of Drae-- no, wait, they removed him in beta.
But hey! At least we got Orgrim back. Even with Thrall turned into an embarassment and Garrosh having the villain ball grafted into his brain, we at least got the young, virle version of everyone's favorite badass OG Warchief back, right? Oh, wait, no, he died like a $%^&* in the first patch, for no apparent reason.
Well, at least we can continue to focus on Thrall for a while, at least until his kids grow up. Maybe then we'll finally have some other orcish heroes to focus on?
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