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Post by
Morec0
Or alternatively, due to the necromancy coming directly from the Dreadlords and the Legion, they may not be able to affect them at all since there is already a corruption in place.
Could also simply be because they were mindless creature, puppetted by necromancers and the like from afar, the Old Gods simply weren't able to assert mental dominance over them.
That's always how I interpreted it.
The Old Gods have to go after the necromancer, as the undead they control are merely puppets.
After all, there are Forsaken within the Twilight Cultists. Some of them could very likely be suffering from the madness.
Although, if Yogg-Saron can turn non-sentient
fungi
into monsters, I think he could be able to control a few undead.
Well, the dungeon journal says that one of the native beasts was transformed into that creature... but even if it was still just a fugal creature to begin with those monsters DO have some self-sentience, while skeletons and ghouls are basically puppets on strings.
Post by
Rankkor
HOLY CRAP!!!! Orgrim looks awesome
here
.
Post by
Morec0
HOLY CRAP! Orgrim looks awesome
here
.
Yes. I cannot wait for that movie.
Post by
Rankkor
Agreed. I'm actually starting to be hopeful that the movie wont suck. Its just that 99% of videogame movies tend to be pretty horrible. Maybe this one will join that small cadre of elite movies that will avert the trope.
Also, its great that Orgrim is gonna be there. I'm kinda angry at blizzard for the HUGE disservice they did to Orgrim on Warlords of Draenor. Its inexcusable that they basically wrote him off in the most pathetic and undignified way possible, making a total of 3 appearances (2 if you're alliance) which his characterization going back and forth like a bipolar person, and then he's abruptly removed from the story before being able to do anything at all. He's easily among the most influential and important orcs of all times, and they just shoved him aside like an underpaid extra.
Not cool blizzard, NOT cool.
Post by
Stabhorn
Agreed. I'm actually starting to be hopeful that the movie wont suck. Its just that 99% of videogame movies tend to be pretty horrible. Maybe this one will join that small cadre of elite movies that will avert the trope.
Also, its great that Orgrim is gonna be there. I'm kinda angry at blizzard for the HUGE disservice they did to Orgrim on Warlords of Draenor. Its inexcusable that they basically wrote him off in the most pathetic and undignified way possible, making a total of 3 appearances (2 if you're alliance) which his characterization going back and forth like a bipolar person, and then he's abruptly removed from the story before being able to do anything at all. He's easily among the most influential and important orcs of all times, and they just shoved him aside like an underpaid extra.
Not cool blizzard, NOT cool.
They didn't even give him the dignity of dieing in the cinematic like Maraad!
Post by
cephadex
HOLY CRAP! Orgrim looks awesome
here
.
Kinda chubby tbh, hella love handles.
Also, its great that Orgrim is gonna be there. I'm kinda angry at blizzard for the HUGE disservice they did to Orgrim on Warlords of Draenor. Its inexcusable that they basically wrote him off in the most pathetic and undignified way possible, making a total of 3 appearances (2 if you're alliance) which his characterization going back and forth like a bipolar person, and then he's abruptly removed from the story before being able to do anything at all. He's easily among the most influential and important orcs of all times, and they just shoved him aside like an underpaid extra.
Not cool blizzard, NOT cool.
Well this I agree with, but I try not to get my hopes up for anything Bliz does anymore. For all you know, they'll just degrade and misrepresent him further in the movie.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I don't know. Overall they've been doing fairly well. Cataclysm was a low point but the ones since have really gotten better. Pandaria taken as a whole was pretty good and overall, I've been pleased with Warlords once you move past stupid time travel plots and recycled characters. I have hopes, particularly if this movie does well, that might open the doors for more. I'm hoping that will be enough incentive for them to give it their all.
Post by
cephadex
Random question: what's the deal with the entire Eastern Kingdoms being called Lordaeron? I remember old maps showing
Lordaeron
as the name of the entire continent, but wasn't it just one of several human kingdoms such as Arathor or Stormwind?
Post by
Adamsm
First War all of the Eastern Kingdoms were call Azeroth so....
Post by
morginar
I remember the WC3 map having the southern part of EK (Stormwind, blasted lands etc) being Azeroth. Then a bit north was Kaz Modan then Lordaeron and quel'thalas at the top.
I don't think EK was called Lordaeron, the northern part of it (Thandrol span and up till quel'thalas) is.
Might have been in WC2 *shrugs*
Post by
Rankkor
The lore of this setting has been constantly shifting and undergoing revisions. On the earlier games, Kalimdor didn't exist, so Azeroth was the name of the main continent where the action took place, as well as the name of the planet itself.
Morgrinar is right in that by Warcraft 3, there wasn't a single name for the whole continent, just names for the provinces on it. Azeroth to the south, Kaz Modan in the middle, Lordaeron to the top, and Quel'thalas to the very upper top.
they only went for the uniform name in world of warcraft, and even then "Eastern Kingdoms" isn't exactly a unified name, its just a name to show that the continent is made up of several provinces even today.
It is kinda weird that the entire north part of the continent was called Lordaeron in War3, because as you said ceph, there were
a lot
of human kingdoms on the north (Dalaran, Gilneas, Alterac, Stromgarde, etc) that where not in fact part of the Kingdom of Lordaeron, nor did they answer to its king.
Post by
morginar
It's possible that Lordaeron (the kingdom) named the province, or the other way around.
Post by
cephadex
I remember the WC3 map having the southern part of EK (Stormwind, blasted lands etc) being Azeroth. Then a bit north was Kaz Modan then Lordaeron and quel'thalas at the top.
I don't think EK was called Lordaeron, the northern part of it (Thandrol span and up till quel'thalas) is.
Might have been in WC2 *shrugs*
This I remember, and I also remember that up until pretty recently, one of Varian's titles on wowpedia was
king of Azeroth
, which was pretty annoying XD
It is kinda weird that the entire north part of the continent was called Lordaeron in War3, because as you said ceph, there were
a lot
of human kingdoms on the north (Dalaran, Gilneas, Alterac, Stromgarde, etc) that where not in fact part of the Kingdom of Lordaeron, nor did they answer to its king.
Thanks for explaining; one question, though, would you count Dalaran as a
human
city? Didn't Dalaran technically come to be when Anasterian decided to ally with the humans of Arathor and teach them magic, so it's at least half high elven in origin?
Post by
Rankkor
Its kinda murky. Its technically considered a human city because it was founded
by
humans, but yep, a large segment of its population was made of elves who taught humans magic in the first place.
This was one of the main reasons why Aethas Sunreaver was trying so hard to get the blood elves to leave the horde during MoP, and why the kirin tor's betrayal stung so badly, because these elves had been friends of the humans for over 2000 years.
Anyhows, sorry for the offtopic, but the main reason it was considered a human kingdom, was due to the founding body of it. The elves came later, but the initiative to build the city itself came from humans. No idea why it was called a kingdom though since they never had a king. (prior to jaina self-proclaiming herself queen in all but name >_>)
Post by
Adamsm
They had no king...but they were ruled over by the Six, placing them in the same circles of power as the actual kingdoms. Kingdom is merely a label after all; Arathor was an empire before it was sundered into the 7 kingdoms were now know.
Post by
cephadex
Its kinda murky. Its technically considered a human city because it was founded
by
humans, but yep, a large segment of its population was made of elves who taught humans magic in the first place.
This was one of the main reasons why Aethas Sunreaver was trying so hard to get the blood elves to leave the horde during MoP, and why the kirin tor's betrayal stung so badly, because these elves had been friends of the humans for over 2000 years.
Anyhows, sorry for the offtopic, but the main reason it was considered a human kingdom, was due to the founding body of it. The elves came later, but the initiative to build the city itself came from humans. No idea why it was called a kingdom though since they never had a king. (prior to jaina self-proclaiming herself queen in all but name >_>)
Are you sure the initiative to build Dalaran came from the humans? I thought they weren't even going to cultivate their own magic until Anasterian decided to teach them, which he did out of perceived necessity for an ally. I don't think he ever really wanted to ally with the humans in the first place but felt he really needed their help at the time, he probably never exactly
liked
them. Also, I don't think Aethas was trying to get the BEs to leave the horde so much as that he just really loved the Kirin Tor (and in my head I still like to think Aethas is really Kael'thas, and I don't think Kael'thas ever really got over his fondness of the Kirin Tor, even after what happened at Dalaran in wc3).
But as I've said many times in the past, I think maybe it's kind of pointless to bring up Garrosh-related points in regard to decisions to leave the horde, because of what an obvious villain he was made to be.
I feel sad that you have it in for Jaina so badly, to me it was tremendously refreshing that for once she stopped being so unrealistically sweet and accommodating. Obviously it's not right that she purged Dalaran, but doing things that aren't right is human, and for the first time she was actually shown as having faults. Then again, I know you really identify with the BEs (and so do I to a large extent), so I get your attitude in that regard.
Post by
Stabhorn
Aethas is really Kael'thas
Never really noticed the connection between their names before. The Sunwell was merely a setback.
Post by
Adamsm
Since one of the conditions of the Arathor empire assisting the High Elves with the Troll Wars was to teach them magic....it seems like that the initiative came on the human side.
Post by
morginar
Its kinda murky. Its technically considered a human city because it was founded
by
humans, but yep, a large segment of its population was made of elves who taught humans magic in the first place.
This was one of the main reasons why Aethas Sunreaver was trying so hard to get the blood elves to leave the horde during MoP, and why the kirin tor's betrayal stung so badly, because these elves had been friends of the humans for over 2000 years.
Anyhows, sorry for the offtopic, but the main reason it was considered a human kingdom, was due to the founding body of it. The elves came later, but the initiative to build the city itself came from humans. No idea why it was called a kingdom though since they never had a king. (prior to jaina self-proclaiming herself queen in all but name >_>)
Didn't Keal'thas or his engineers mention they built it or parts of it in WC3? Think it was when they opened the portal to outland and made towers from the ruins of dalaran.Since one of the conditions of the Arathor empire assisting the High Elves with the Troll Wars was to teach them magic....it seems like that the initiative came on the human side.
Or elves to police magic?
Post by
Rankkor
I feel sad that you have it in for Jaina so badly, to me it was tremendously refreshing that for once she stopped being so unrealistically sweet and accommodating.
I said this before for garrosh, and I'll say it again for Jaina: Growing a backbone =/= being an asshole. Sorry but that's just how I see it. I can get behind being assertive, stop being pushed around, stop letting others take advantage of you. But becoming a bully yourself is NOT okay, and never will be.
Thrall was too soft for an orc, he let the alliance get away with countless acts of aggression, and he did that because he wanted to preserve the fragile peace between the two factions. Garrosh on the other hand wanted to fight back. Up there so far so good. Its when garrosh started being a hypocritical jerk that I began to have a problem with him.
Same goes for Jaina. Its great that she finally grew a spine and is no longer the fragile little flower she used to be. But the moment she became a fascist genocidal maniac is the moment I was done with her. I want her head on a plate. Her catty comments during the Legendary Quest
DO NOT
help to ingratiate her in my eyes.
Its the same reason why I dislike Sylvanas right now. I used to love her for being the badass no-nonsense hardass she's always been. Since Warcraft 3 she NEVER let anyone step in her way. She's authoritative, assertive, confident, and a bonafide badass in her own right. But the moment she began to abuse the weak, to cruelly treat her own troops with disdain and contempt, to enslave and torture civilians of captured provinces, and to brainwash and kidnap her own troops that she stopped being a character I support.
Are you sure the initiative to build Dalaran came from the humans? I thought they weren't even going to cultivate their own magic until Anasterian decided to teach them, which he did out of perceived necessity for an ally.
It was the other way around. The elves were getting their asses kicked by the Troll Empire, and it was the humans of the Arathor Empire that approached them with an offer of support. In return for their support, the elves would teach 100 humans the ways of magic. These humans were the founders of the Kirin Tor and the city of Dalaran, to which several elves moved to once human/elven relationships strengthened.
Also,
I don't think Aethas was trying to get the BEs to leave the horde
so much as that he just really loved the Kirin Tor
Are you sure about that? I mean
This
doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interpretation.
and in my head I still like to think Aethas is really Kael'thas, and I don't think Kael'thas ever really got over his fondness of the Kirin Tor, even after what happened at Dalaran in wc3
Nah, he's not. Kael was a blonde. Aethas is a
ginger
.
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