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Post by
Rankkor
Sorry dude, but I can't get over the rabbit jedi. Emo teens, annoying brats, and insufferable kid-appeal characters are horrible, and I have a lot of tolerance for silly and nonsensical stuff, but a
RABBIT JEDI
is where I draw the line on stupidity.
I'm not denying that the EU had a lot of good stuff on it (Old Republic content, Darth Bane, etc) but just like fanfics, with the good that
equaled
the original trilogy, also came the stupid that
surpassed
the prequels. So it was a mixed bag.
Come on........ rabbit jedi? sheesh.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
......Yes because all of the other Jedi out there is just so logical :P
Post by
oneforthemoney
Come on........ rabbit jedi? sheesh.
Alien
rabbit jedi. Almost as bad as
brain in a jar jedi
.
Post by
Rankkor
......Yes because all of the other Jedi out there is just so logical :P
They are not very logical....... but they at least are not rabbits.
Come on........ rabbit jedi? sheesh.
Alien
rabbit jedi. Almost as bad as
brain in a jar jedi
.
I didn't forget about him, but he's pretty low on the amount of stupid things I've seen on the EU. Did I mention the mountain on endor that can speak?
No, really, a mountain that can speak. Because, you know, mountains totally do that. He even has a face and everything. But when I said "speak" I mean actually cry. A lot. His very name is
sorrow
. And you think Emo Anakin was bad.
/shudder.
Then there's the ewoks
cartoon
.
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Sorry dude, but as horrible as the prequels were, there is a ton of stuff on the expanded universe that not only manages to equal it, it topples it on the stupid department. Annoying brats is one thing. Crying mountains, rabbit jedi, brain-in-a-jar jedi, and
Pixies
are another.
At least Jar Jar only soils one movie, and then has only 1 line of dialog on the second one, and doesn't even speaks on the third. Kiddie Anakin is likewise, only in one movie. Vader's ridiculous no? just one movie. All the above EU elements? feature on many many many comics, cartoons, books, and other material.
Here are also a small list of other horrid elements from the EU
I don't deny there's a ton of awesome stuff in the EU material, but there's just as much (if not MORE so) bad stuff in it. Bad stuff that makes the prequels citizen kane by comparison.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Thing is, at least to a fan of the EU, the prequels take a giant steaming ^&*! over everything. I'm sad that it's no longer canon, especially since they de-fanged Boba Fett because of the idiotic prequel crap. But other then Darth Maul, everything in the prequels were horrible to me.
Post by
Rankkor
Thing is, at least to a fan of the EU, the prequels take a giant steaming ^&*! over everything. I'm sad that it's no longer canon, especially since they de-fanged Boba Fett because of the idiotic prequel crap. But other then Darth Maul, everything in the prequels were horrible to me.
Well, I enjoyed other things about the prequels other than Maul (yes he was awesome, and his lightsaber fight is among the best in the whole saga).
While the majority of the prequels introduced a lot of horrible stuff (Almost all of it related to Anakin or Jar Jar) it also introduced a lot of pretty awesome stuff. The lightsaber duel of Yoda and Dooku was EPIC. The Nostalgia Critic made a great
video
about some of the best parts of the prequels.
Also, I don't really see how the prequels could had "De-fang" Boba Fett. He's still a badass, we just happen to know his origins, and they weren't as awesome as we could imagine. If anything, one of the saddest things about the EU not being canon anymore, is that it means he truly died on the sarlaac pit. And that is (or should be) a federal crime.
Post by
Adamsm
The EU expanded his back story long before the prequels came out...and he was not a cry baby like he was there. He was from a planet where Order/Law was pretty much the first rule of everything and he killed someone for breaking a law but since he had also broke one he was exiled....and he became the bounty hunter we all knew and loved. Then the prequel %^&* happened, so when he runs into Solo during the Vong War he told him 'it was never about you, it was always about the Jedi'.....ignoring the fact that Solo and Fett had a massively long running feud! ARRRRGGGHHHHHH!
Post by
matheus314
And some people keep saying that WoW lore is f**ked up...
Looks at SW lore...
¬¬
Post by
oneforthemoney
I don't know if the way I described it makes any sense so
here's a diagram
(but I'm no artist, sorry).
That's either very creative on their part or very unimaginative.
Post by
Monday
Then there's the ewoks cartoon.
That was my favorite when I was 5. No joke.
Post by
Skreeran
So Warlords is out now, but we still don't know anything about Saurfang, Eitrigg, Drek'thar , Nazgrel, or Jorin?
Jeez, everyone is complaining about this being the "Orc Expansion," but from what I can tell, only Thrall and the AU orcs actually get any screentime... :\
Post by
oneforthemoney
So Warlords is out now, but we still don't know anything about Saurfang, Eitrigg, Drek'thar , Nazgrel, or Jorin?
Jeez, everyone is complaining about this being the "Orc Expansion," but from what I can tell, only Thrall and the AU orcs actually get any screentime... :\
To be fair, there are a
lot
of AU orcs.
Post by
Atik
So Warlords is out now, but we still don't know anything about Saurfang, Eitrigg, Drek'thar , Nazgrel, or Jorin?
Jeez, everyone is complaining about this being the "Orc Expansion," but from what I can tell, only Thrall and the AU orcs actually get any screentime... :\
Drek'Thar actually is there, and kind of major. Unless I'm seriously confusing my Orcs.
I'm, personally, kind of annoyed that the Garrison is a MAJOR quest hub instead of an optional side-thing. It just comes in and seriously bogs down the quest flow.
Oh, and the entire story is completely dependent on the PC. Again.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Oh, and the entire story is completely dependent on the PC. Again.
I don't entirely mind that. Becuase if it wasn't, we'd be getting it dependant on Thrall again, seeing as Maraad dies so early.
Post by
Atik
Oh, and the entire story is completely dependent on the PC. Again.
I don't entirely mind that. Becuase if it wasn't, we'd be getting it dependant on Thrall again, seeing as Maraad dies so early.
I suppose...
But, I mean, Jade Forest and Valley of Four Winds back in MoP actually had a nice thing going. You were a major factor, but there were plenty of AWESOME npcs who were just as important as you. It's why the finale of Four Winds is so memorable. You go through the chains, meeting these simply amazing characters who very clearly have stories that DON'T just revolve around you. And then they all show up together in an absolutely epic battle.
Then you get to Kun'Lai and they sort of vanish unexpectedly, leaving the rest of the zones much weaker by comparison, imo. The only other one that comes to mind is Dread Wastes with the Klaxxi helping you out. (Who were, admittedly, great characters. Their death is justified, but no less tragic.)
All it takes is several characters, being equally important in different areas. It makes the game feel like a great big world again, where all the NPCs have their own stories, rather than just existing to make the PC or Thrall or whoever feel/look awesome.
Post by
Skreeran
To be fair, there are a
lot
of AU orcs.Sure, but unless we're bringing some of them back with us, I really have a hard time caring about them. I'm more interested in the characters we've been building for years now.
Drek'Thar actually is there, and kind of major. Unless I'm seriously confusing my Orcs.That's AU Drek'thar, though. Unless we're replacing old, useless Drek'thar with the new one, his development doesn't seem that important.
Post by
oneforthemoney
To be fair, there are a
lot
of AU orcs.Sure, but unless we're bringing some of them back with us, I really have a hard time caring about them. I'm more interested in the characters we've been building for years now.
Drek'Thar actually is there, and kind of major. Unless I'm seriously confusing my Orcs.That's AU Drek'thar, though. Unless we're replacing old, useless Drek'thar with the new one, his development doesn't seem that important.
I'm still betting on the next bunch of expansions being set in Draenor, so we'll have to wait and see...
Post by
Rankkor
Oh, and the entire story is completely dependent on the PC. Again.
I don't entirely mind that. Becuase if it wasn't, we'd be getting it dependant on Khadgar, seeing as Maraad dies so early.
Fixed that for you.
I'm really getting sick of the "green jesus" fad. Thrall is a minor character on this expansion. The one showing up on every zone, the one barking orders to both factions, the one taking credit for all the glory, is khadgar. Not Thrall, Khadgar.
Neither Thrall nor Maraad play any major role on this expansion at all. They're both very minor characters that show up a whooping total of twice on the whole thing. First on their starting zones, once on a second zone (Talador for Maraad, Nagrand for Thrall), and then never again for the rest of the expansion.
I know nobody on this thread has said anything about it, but SO MANY PEOPLE complained that MoP was "another" thrall-focused expansion, even though he shows up in none of the zones, and only plays a minor role in 3 quests during 5.1, and another small role in 2 quests in 5.3, and then only shows up at the end of SoO. How in blazes is that "Thrall-Centered"?
So Warlords is out now, but we still don't know anything about Saurfang, Eitrigg, Drek'thar , Nazgrel, or Jorin?
Jeez, everyone is complaining about this being the "Orc Expansion," but from what I can tell, only Thrall and the AU orcs actually get any screentime... :\
Its easier to yell "ORC EXPANSION" at the first opportunity. Some people were whining about how if you add up all the 5man bosses, it turns out like 11 of them are orcs. But...... in mists of pandaria 15 out of all the 5man bosses were humans and not one soul said a thing.
People are just looking for excuses to complain. This is not an "orc expansion" in any form of imagination. Who are the protagonists? if you are alliance, its just draenei everywhere, you NEVER have to interact with friendly orcs except on two very separated times. If you are horde, part of the protagonists are orcs, the other part are blood elves. Hell, all the commanding officers are trolls and shadow hunters, specially in Ashran.
Who are the enemies? Well, on the starting zones is the iron horde, but on Gorgrond is the Magmaron/Genesaur, on Talador its the burning legion/sargerei/shadow council/arakkoa with only about 20% of the zone having iron horde orcs. if its spires of arak, 90% of all the enemies are arakkoa, 5% iron horde orcs, 5% mushroom creatures. And in Nagrand, its 50% iron Horde, 50% ogres.
So, they are 100% enemies in 1 zone per faction, and then absent on the second zone, 20% on the third, 5% on the fourth, 50% on the last. "Orc Expansion" my green butt.
Even on dungeon content, 4 of them are based on orcs (UBRS, Shadowmoon Burial Ground, Iron Docks, and Grimrail Depot) but the other 4 are not (Auchindoun, Bloodmaul mines, Skyreach, and Everbloom). And with Raids, 1 is orc based (Blackrock Foundry) but the other one is not (Highmaul). And with world bosses, not one of them is orc based (one is a magnaron, another is a genesaur, the last one is a God Bird)
But what can you do? its a fad to point at anything and decry it as "orc centered". Some people are incapable these days between discerning the difference between "orc centered" and "there are some orcs among other things"
To be fair, there are a
lot
of AU orcs.Sure, but unless we're bringing some of them back with us, I really have a hard time caring about them. I'm more interested in the characters we've been building for years now.
They said that the horde would come back from draenor stronger than how it came in. I wanna believe it means some (or many) of the native orcs of draenor will come back from there into Azeroth.
Post by
Atik
I was, personnally, hoping the expansion would be more "Draenei-focused". Granted, both my Horde and Alliance characters are hardly past the Garrison intros. And I am SUPER excited on my Ally to see more of the Draenei.
Hot space babes everywhere!
Post by
oneforthemoney
Oh, and the entire story is completely dependent on the PC. Again.
I don't entirely mind that. Becuase if it wasn't, we'd be getting it dependant on Khadgar, seeing as Maraad dies so early.
Fixed that for you.
I'm really getting sick of the "green jesus" fad. Thrall is a minor character on this expansion. The one showing up on every zone, the one barking orders to both factions, the one taking credit for all the glory, is khadgar. Not Thrall, Khadgar.
Neither Thrall nor Maraad play any major role on this expansion at all. They're both very minor characters that show up a whooping total of twice on the whole thing. First on their starting zones, once on a second zone (Talador for Maraad, Nagrand for Thrall), and then never again for the rest of the expansion.
Yeah, Rank, my point was what
would
be focused on if we weren't the heroes, not who
is
being. You kind of jumped the gun on me there. What I was saying is that Blizz is doing right here, because you are the important one right now and we see that with the garrison, leading the troops, and so forth.
Also, I am loving being referred to as 'Commander'. Really brings back fond memories of Red Alert.
Oh, Tanya...
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