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Post by
matheus314
Oh well... I may give it a try in the future. But is defnitely not in my top priority list. Thanks. =)
Post by
cephadex
I dunno, but the way they've worded some of their answers leads me to believe that the expansion after WoD will also take place on the draenor of the past, perhaps on the distant Ogre Continent? I'd like to believe (But find it VERY unlikely) that we'll visit the Azeroth of that alternate timeline.
Screw that, take us to past Argus next D:
not really
Also, as far as the Quel'delar ending being different for BEs, this is meant in the extent that the RP and lore matters to you; the advisors will say different things to you and have a different attitude if you're a BE than they will if you're not, but the animations aren't radically different or anything.
I worry about what will happen to our Azeroth in our absence.
Legion
Post by
Stabhorn
I worry about what will happen to our Azeroth in our absence.
Legion
I agree, because really it will be either that or the Old Gods, and we know from the Blank Scroll story that the Legion is going to come first, and then the 'things from the seas,' which is probably the naga/N'Zoth's Forces.
Post by
Rankkor
Also, as far as the Quel'delar ending being different for BEs, this is meant in the extent that the RP and lore matters to you; the advisors will say different things to you and have a different attitude if you're a BE than they will if you're not,
but the animations aren't radically different or anything.
I beg to differ.
On a non-blood elf (even if you're horde) Lor'themar will try to take the blade once you've assembled it and blessed it on the sunwell, but the blade with hurl him back. Silvermoon guards will then surround you, but Harduron defuses the situation, by pointing out that the blade simply chose you, not Lor'themar. Pretty much everyone will then treat you in a hostile way (understandable, you're walking away with their most priceless relic, that's as if a Russian person was allowed to walk away with the US Constitution, or the Bell of Liberty).
As a blood elf however, Lor'themar wont try to take the blade at all, and instead proclaim you Champion of Silvermoon, and declare that the blade is once again the legacy of the Sin'dorei. There's a lot more possitive attitude, and cheering etc.
So its not just a difference in dialog, there's a difference in actions and events. Though only in the ending, the rest of the questline is identical for both elves and non-elves.
Mechanically the quests are the same, but the ending is widely different if you're a blood elf than if you're not. Even as horde, you get a very cold reception by everyone else on the sunwell if you're not a blood elf.
Post by
cephadex
I agree, because really it will be either that or the Old Gods, and we know from the Blank Scroll story that the Legion is going to come first, and then the 'things from the seas,' which is probably the naga/N'Zoth's Forces.
Haha, well I don't think Legion will happen in the next expansion, or any future expansion, really (since bliz have already done Legion in TBC)-- but presumably Wrathion's motive in letting Garrosh go was in preparation to fight the Legion. So, taking a break from Azeroth is pretty much the opposite of what we should presumably be doing because of that.
I beg to differ.
Don't I know it.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I dunno, but the way they've worded some of their answers leads me to believe that the expansion after WoD will also take place on the draenor of the past, perhaps on the distant Ogre Continent? I'd like to believe (But find it VERY unlikely) that we'll visit the Azeroth of that alternate timeline.
Like I've been saying, I think Blizz is trying to move away from Azeroth to a place with new lore for them to use. The Garrison's feel too permenant to be abandoned when we just move to the next continent.
Post by
Rankkor
I beg to differ.
Don't I know it.
But....... but its true D=
Ending is 100% different for blood elves, and its more than just dialog. The event at the end IS radically different. For a non-blood elf, it involved Lor'themar trying to grab the sword only to be rejected by it and the guardings surrounding you. For a blood elf, its entirely different.
Post by
matheus314
Where do I start it, again?
Post by
Rankkor
Where do I start it, again?
You need to relentlessly farm the three 3.3 dungeons on heroic mode. Forge of Souls, Pit of Saron, and Hall of Reflection.
Kill EVERYTHING on it, and loot everything, and eventually you'll have the
Battered Hilt
. Once you have that, you can right click it and start the questchain.
If you don't feel like farming, you can try buying it on the AH. Depending on your realm, it can cost between 2000 gold to 10000 tops.
That hilt has a funny story. It went from selling like hotcakes for INSANE prices on WOTLK, then it slumped down to chump change during cata, then they added transmog and its price became higher, but not that much since you could only transmog swords. Then in MoP they added the change where you can transmog any weapon into anything else, and voila, its once again costing a small fortune.
Be patient if you don't have it, it has a low drop rate, so you may have to do multiple clears to get it, and it has to be on heroic, normal mode wont cut it.
Happy hunting.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
Cool, now I got some stuff to do, lol... By the way, do I have to be on my Paladin for it to drop? Or else I could farm on my Hunter...
Post by
Rankkor
Cool, now I got some stuff to do, lol... By the way, do I have to be on my Paladin for it to drop? Or else I could farm on my Hunter...
If your hunter is horde, then yes.
You can farm it on any class, because the Hilt is not bound on pickup. However, there's one version of the hilt that only drops for alliance players, and is only usable by alliance players, and a horde version that drops for horde players, and is only usable by horde players.
If you have another horde character that is better geared or you feel is more efficient, then yes, farm it on that one. If that paladin is your one horde toon, then you have to farm it on him.
If you do decide to buy it off the auction house, be very careful what version you're buying, because the hilt is not usable for both sides. Each side has their version.
Post by
matheus314
Each side has their version.
Oh wow... why would they ever do that? Any lore reason for it?
Post by
Adamsm
There are a lot of items that are faction tied that both groups have access too; the insignia of the Alliance/Horde, the War mounts, the 'grand' mounts(Traveler's Tundra, Ice Mammoth, War Mammoth and so on). Also, it almost always happens because the items drop in zones/dungeons were there are two different versions; in this case, when you do the ICC 5-mans on Ally you are working with Jaina while the Horde works with Sylvanas.
Post by
morginar
And the quest lines are diffrent for the factions, horde work with sunreavers and infiltrate silver covenant, alliance work with silver covenant and infiltrate sunreavers.
Post by
matheus314
But, cannonically, it
is
the same item, right?
Post by
Adamsm
As much as something like that fits in canon yes.
Post by
Rankkor
Each side has their version.
Oh wow... why would they ever do that? Any lore reason for it?
Game coding.
Horde players can't accept alliance quests, and alliance players can't accept horde quests.
There are some items in the game that give you quests when you accept them, but they're either neutral quests that can be done by both sides, or the item in question can only be obtained by one side alone.
Because the quest-chain for the hilt uses entirely different quest IDs for the alliance and the horde, there had to be one hilt that is just for alliance players, and one hilt that is just for horde players.
This is also the reason why you could do the quest twice. Loot the hilt, complete the quest as horde. Loot the hilt again, try to start the quest, and it will show the message "You have already completed this quest". Transfer that toon to the alliance, and all of the sudden, click the hilt and you CAN do the quest.
Because even if the questchain is for the most part identical for both sides (Ending notwithstanding) they still use different questIDs and are considered different quests altogether.
But, cannonically, it
is
the same item, right?
Yes, this is just game mechanics in play (Just as for example, the Head of Onyxia has 2 versions, one that is for horde players, and one that is for alliance players. And each head has its own Item ID, but canonically, they're the same). In canon there are not 2 hilts running around. There was only one quel'delar.
Post by
morginar
But Rankkor didn't you know Onyxia was a three headed dragon? One for the horde, one for the alliance and one for king chinn to rule them all.
And Quel'delar was surely a twinblade to be dual wielded.
Just kidding
Post by
matheus314
Those were some really spoily spoilers.
I already knew that.
Post by
Rankkor
Those were some really spoily spoilers.
I already knew that.
I know you already knew that. The
real
question that will leave you deep in thought the rest of the day is:
Did you also know that I know that you know that?
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