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Post by
Stabhorn
Also is any of Blackhands kids alive in WoD? Like rend and that girl that never drank demon blood? Do we see the mother of said kids?
No to all the above.
How did you like that comic, Rankk?
Post by
Adamsm
And how did Ogrim doom his people? Because he didn't speak out against the demon taint until it was too late....same as the Garrosh taint in Warlords. Thrall was the one the rest of the prophecy spoke of...though in a way he did it too.
Post by
morginar
Also is any of Blackhands kids alive in WoD? Like rend and that girl that never drank demon blood? Do we see the mother of said kids?No to all the above.Who do we see? *raises left eyebrow*And how did Ogrim doom his people? Because he didn't speak out against the demon taint until it was too late....same as the Garrosh taint in Warlords. Thrall was the one the rest of the prophecy spoke of...though in a way he did it too.
That sounds... Very indirect, like the prophecy was some poor makeshift fortune cookie that could be seen as anything... Oh wait.
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, since it was something said to him by Velen in Rise of the Horde, it makes 'sense'(actually doesn't). But in reality, Doomhammer did fail the Orcs as he wasn't able to win the Second War and give them a new home...Thrall semi-managed to pull that off.
Post by
cephadex
And
here
is the version I made of that post here in wowhead. Now with 100% less copy&pasting :)
Lemme know what you think.
Not sure if you saw the rest of my response earlier-- thanks for linking your post from the wowhead forums, I actually did all the copy-pasting on your official forum post, was just saying it was a bit much. What I was saying earlier was that you're right, but I wonder if the alliance buildings are actually larger or if they're not just divided into more parts by walls/stories, etc. Also, I wonder if they're not just using slightly modified versions of already existing barracks and tavern structures for humans? Human barracks buildings were always a bit confusing to me because of how extensively they're divided into parts.
Do the human buildings contain more small details and items, or is it just that they're divided into more rooms and each room's theme is emphasized by the items there? I could be totally wrong here so I don't know. Either way though, I realize I'm biased but look at the interior of the horde buildings vs. the alliance ones: even in the tavern which has a pathetic balcony for a second story, look how cozy and rugged that looks, vs. the lame alliance interiors. I admit I did like the little draenei houses in the Shattrath residential area, though.
Tbh, in the Dalaran horde inn I think they just used a generic "Dalaran inn" structure and that's why it was different from your usual orc inns.
I know a lot of people want there to be variation in the racial themes of garrison buildings, but honestly I don't really want that. Don't get me wrong, I'm practically an expert on BE lore and I love male BEs, but I feel there's this whole movement toward "cutsey-fication," especially horde-wise, which to me waters down the "horde" feel. I know you're going to have my throat for saying this and you might start on about what a big part of the horde such-and-such race is, or how they're presumably not "cute," but that's what it'll really be about if that were a choice: half the horde players will roll BEs (actually, they already have) and make a pretty BE garrison because it's pretty.
I feel like right now the garrison style is
orc or human
because originally WC was about orcs vs. humans; I like pretty structures as much as the next person, but that's not
horde
to me. I don't want it watered down into something un-horde-like that people will shout "for the horde" about even though it's an embarrassment to the horde (actually, to me the horde feels increasingly alliance-like nowadays, so maybe all that's missing are some pretty curtains and a white picket fence).
Don't kill me, Rankkor, I have dogs who depend on me.
Oh yeah, and you're right in that it would have been cool to play on an enhanced contrast mode in WoW; it's probably possible to enhance the contrast of your monitor, but it'll probably drive you nuts in your non-WoW programs.
Post by
morginar
Eh, since it was something said to him by Velen in Rise of the Horde, it makes 'sense'(actually doesn't). But in reality, Doomhammer did fail the Orcs as he wasn't able to win the Second War and give them a new home...Thrall semi-managed to pull that off.
It doesn't make much sence indeed. Prophecies are not plot devices for evryone.
Post by
Rankkor
And how did Ogrim doom his people? Because he didn't speak out against the demon taint until it was too late
Meh, that wasn't really how he brought doom to his people, back then he was no leader, he just did what he was told. His real failure was that in trying to win the second war against the alliance, he placed pragmatism above morality, such as allowing the enslaving of the red dragons, and allowing Gul'dan to create abominations like the ogre magi and specially the Death Knights.
This came to bite him in the ass when the dragons broke free, and Gul'dan stabbed him in the back, costing him his victory over the capital city, and causing the downfall of the orcs.
How did you like that comic, Rankk?
Pretty cool, I wish the final episode of Lords of War had depicted the events of that comic.
I do have a lingering question though, which is, when do all of that takes place? before the establishment of the Iron Horde? or after?.
Also, The Doomhammer is now effectively confirmed to be Warcraft's Version of Mjolnir.
AWESOME!!!!!!!
Who do we see? *raises left eyebrow*
From the blackrock clan? pretty much nobody. That is probably one of my biggest disappointments on WoD so far. The blackrock clan has a lot of named characters in the lore (Varok Saurfang, Broxigar Saurfang, Eitrigg, Rend, Maim, Griselda, Orgrim, Blackhand, etc) but we end up seeing none of the above.
Orgrim gets what is essentially a cameo (Shows up a grand total of three times, two of them are just a brief glimpse of him from afar) and Blackhand shows up only for 1 quest on Talador, and at the end of the Blackrock Foundry where he dies.
And that's as far as the blackrock clan named characters goes =/
It doesn't make much sence indeed. Prophecies are not plot devices for evryone.
Just once, I'd like to see a sci-fi/fantasy/martial arts work of fiction that doesn't involves a prophecy of some form
at all
.
Just once.
Don't kill me, Rankkor, I have dogs who depend on me.
Why do people keep saying that? D=
I'm passionate, but not hostile. Am I?
*Crickets chirping*
Am I?
*Crickets chirping*
U_U
I do have a counterpoint on what "defines" the horde, but its pretty extensive, and I feel it merits its own thread, I'm gonna collect my thoughts and word it properly before giving a formal answer.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
Also, The Doomhammer is now effectively confirmed to be Warcraft's Version of Mjolnir. AWESOME! Doomhammer has nothing on the dark elven made apology gift-o-rang for stealing freyas golden hair. *Nordic grumble*
Just once, I'd like to see a sci-fi/fantasy/martial arts work of fiction that doesn't involves a prophecy of some form at all.
Just once.Me to bro.
From the blackrock clan? pretty much nobody. That is probably one of my biggest disappointments on WoD so far. It has a lot of named characters in the lore (Varok Saurfang, Broxigar Saurfang, Eitrigg, Rend, Maim, Griselda, Orgrim, Blackhand, etc) but we end up seeing none of the above.
Orgrim gets what is essentially a cameo (Shows up a grand total of three times, two of them are just a brief glimpse of him from afar) and Blackhand shows up only for 1 quest on Talador, and at the end of the Blackrock Foundry where he dies.
And that's as far as the blackrock clan named characters goes =/ Aww that realy sucks...
Why do people keep saying that? D=
I'm passionate, but not hostile. Am I? U_U
A debate is a duel of tounges, you just strike hard, that is all. *pats head*
I do have a counterpoint on what "defines" the horde, but its pretty extensive, and I feel it merits its own post, I'm gonna collect my thoughts and word it properly before giving a formal answer. Can you add something that WC1 "go back to the roots" has been done for a long time and is dull, repetive and boring as a filler arc. Things evolve.
Post by
cephadex
Doomhammer has nothing on the dark elven made apology gift-o-rang for stealing freyas golden hair. *Nordic grumble*
Wasn't it the dwarves who made it? And wasn't it Sif's hair?
As for what 'defines the horde,' you know, at this point I'm not sure if the horde, itself, is my idea of
the horde
anymore anyway, and maybe it's been that way long enough that now
the horde
is legitimately a bunch of other stuff. I mean, what the hell, make Lor'themar warchief and give female orcs adorable hairstyles and lipstick,
Nick Fury
Thrall is really a green human anyway.
Post by
Rankkor
give female orcs adorable hairstyles and lipstick
Like this?
Post by
morginar
Wasn't it the dwarves who made it? And wasn't it Sif's hair?Might be? Been a while since I heard the tale, and I think it was two of diffrent races who forged the boomerang, a black/dark elf and a dwarf might be it.
Post by
cephadex
give female orcs adorable hairstyles and lipstick
Like this?
That's what I was referring to, yes. I can't even make some kind of sarcastic joke about it because that's pretty much the worst they could possibly have done.
Post by
matheus314
Doomhammer is magical?
As far as I could take from the comics there's 4 things about it:
It's a gift from the elements and you can only use it with their approval.
It's very resistant to high temperature.
It has a very dubious profecy attached to it.
Somehow it gives an advantage in battle (not showed there).
Post by
cephadex
I really don't mean to be obnoxious and drag this topic out any further, as I suspect I'm the only person who cares about this, but do you think the dragon on the dark portal created by the Iron Horde is Kairoz (see WoW login screen)?
Post by
Adamsm
Since the original Portal had a dragon too
more then likely not....which makes the whole Dragonmaw retcon that much sillier.
Post by
morginar
Posible that Medivh was the architect for the portal and added the dragon.
And will we ever know who those two nazgul looking fellows on the side are? They look human...
Post by
cephadex
Since the original Portal had a dragon too
more then likely not....which makes the whole Dragonmaw retcon that much sillier.
yeah I just noticed that... weird I've never noticed that before... seeing as there were no dragons on draenor... oh well back to the drawing board.
Post by
Rankkor
I really don't mean to be obnoxious and drag this topic out any further, as I suspect I'm the only person who cares about this, but do you think the dragon on the dark portal created by the Iron Horde is Kairoz (see WoW login screen)?
As adamsm said, the original dark portal had a dragon too, and to be fair, absolutely nobody on draenor ever knew Kairoz. Just garrosh, and even then he never saw his draconic form.
The "blueprints" for the dark portal were passed down to Gul'dan by Medivh and he's the one who likely put the dragon on.
Post by
matheus314
As adamsm said, the original dark portal had a dragon too, and to be fair, absolutely nobody on draenor ever knew Kairoz. Just garrosh, and even then he never saw his draconic form.
The "blueprints" for the dark portal were passed down to Gul'dan by Medivh and he's the one who likely put the dragon on.
Since we know nothing about how this Iron Horde Dark Portal was made, and I'd imagine that Garrosh would not know how to build interdimensional portals, can we assume that, somehow, Medivh is involved on the construction of this one too?
Post by
morginar
Garry probably had a good wiev of the dark portal when he was a crybaby in outland.
He then ctrl-c ctrl-v
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