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Post by
Rankkor
Hmm, well, I concede on that one.
Post by
Rankkor
Ugh, are they kidding me? Maraad? frikking MARAAD gets the final episode of Lords of War? what the hell blizzard?
The one warlord who's story I wanted to see the most (Blackhand) gets none? why? He's among the warlords that had practically zero backstory on previous books and games, hence the biggest question mark of the whole bunch, why couldn't they made an episode of him?
Maraad is not even a Warlord, this is a miniseries to showcase the Warlords of Draenor =(
Bleh. Both Maraad's and Durotan's stories weren't needed, the former because he's not a warlord, the latter because we already have PLENTY of backstory from him in previous books to the point were we have a serious grip on the character. I feel like those 2 episodes would had been better spent on Blackhand, of whom practically NOTHING is known, and Gul'dan, who, other than being the backstabbing apprentice to Ner'zhul was also an unknown entity prior to his surpassing of his master.
Specially given how big a role Gul'dan has that he's the main enemy we have to vanquish on the legendary quest.
Man, what a letdown =/
Post by
Morec0
I'm with you on this, Rank. This is a *!@#ING letdown.
Post by
Rankkor
BTW morec, I saw that machinima you recommended us, the
Well of Eternity machinima adaptation
.
Sweet mother of god O_O that was #$%&ing awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blows away Tales of the Past by a landslide. It sticks firmly to the lore, uses extremely fitting music, the custom models are so spectacular I wish they were in the game, and the voice-acting...... GOOD GRAVVY, THAT VOICE ACTING. Whereas in Tales of the Past 2 or 3 actors did a good job and the rest sucked big time (Specially Jaina's voice) on this one, everyone was unbelievably good.
Queen Azshara and Mannoroth in particular NAILED their roles, and IMO, were even better than the canon actors hired by blizzard.
The atrocious pacing of Knaak's books is gone, with much of the pointless filler and padding removed, and the narrator drops the excessively flowery prose of Knaak (Seriously, they're called EYES not "alluring orbs". Not everything needs to sound like it came out of a 16th century poem) and the overidealization and gushing over Krasus and Rhonin.
Speaking of Rhonin, I also liked, nay, LOVED, how they took the most infuriating part of the War of the Ancients trilogy, and gave him the treatment he deserved :P
Rhonin is not only mercifully absent for like 80% of the video, but on the few times he does show up, he's just the butt monkey comic relief character, and the punchline of some joke. Take that you insufferable marty stu!!!!!!!!! I honestly think that sealed the deal for me, and its gonna be agony to wait another 4 years for them to develop the sequel (Assuming they are working on a sequel? I'm not sure)
I simply wish the whole team involved would be hired by blizzard. Those voice-actors are spectacular, seriously I absolutely WANT that girl playing Azshara to be the official voice of the Naga Queen when we finally face her on whatever expansion that ends up happening. And those models are jaw-dropping, The armor design is actually cool instead of these ridiculously stupid tier sets the art team has been coughing up over the last years.
Its like every new armor is more ridiculous than the last, whereas the ones in Well of Eternity look cool as hell, almost straight out of peter jackson's adaptation of Lord of the Rings, except with the cool cranked up to eleven.
All in all, my verdict is two gigantic thumbs up, and I highly encourage anyone who's a fan of this game to watch that machinima, its worth every second and then some. Its sad that its just the first book of the War of the Ancients trilogy, so I hope that they are working on Book 2 and Book 3, because what I saw in Book 1 was nothing short of breathtaking fast-paced loregasmic
AWESOME
condensed in two hours of kick ass.
Post by
matheus314
Best Lords of War episode, easily. Maraad totally deserved. Well played blizzard, well played...
Post by
Rankkor
Best Lords of War episode, easily.
Meh, not really. Didn't really elaborated much on Maraad's character.
Maraad totally deserved.
Why? he's neither a Warlord of Draenor, nor even a major character in the expansion. He shows up a grand total of two times in shadowmoon, both to say a few lines, doesn't show up at all in Gorgrond, and then gets killed on Talador. If we're gonna get some exposition and backstory on the major players of the expansion....... it should actually be on the major players of the expansion. Not background characters that have a cameo at best.
Well played blizzard, well played...
Meh, poorly played IMO, I was expecting a Blackhand story next. As did a lot of people given that he's the one Warlord with the least amount of backstory out of the whole bunch.
Post by
Adamsm
That...was awesome. And considering what happens to Maraad come Warlords, seeing his lowest moment is something I enjoyed. But then again, he's one of my favorite characters out there.
Post by
Rankkor
Meh, I would had preferred those episode be used on major players, not one that literally does nothing on the Tanaan intro, barely speaks in shadowmoon, doesn't show up in Gorgrond except for a cameo, and then dies in talador after 15 quests.
I guess I just have different draenei favorites. Team Nobundo FTW.
Post by
Adamsm
/shake head
Can't please anyone. It explains his furor in regards to what he has been describing in the Lords videos. Also....it's better this way: Leave Blackhand a mystery to find out why he's serving Hellscream rather then trying to take over. All of the videos, including this one, are excellent works.
Post by
Rankkor
Can't please everyone.
Fixed. If it was anyone, then nobody would be pleased by this.
It explains his furor in regards to what he has been describing in the Lords videos.
I'm not saying its out of place, I just felt it was sort of a waste to have the final chapter be about him specifically when he plays such a small role on the expansion. Imagine if during mists of Pandaria instead of doing the Burdens of Shao Hao, they had done instead a miniseries about........ Suni. A character that shows up on just one zone in one questchain.
Also....it's better this way: Leave Blackhand a mystery to find out why he's serving Hellscream rather then trying to take over.
But that's the thing, they don't. Blackhand doesn't show up at all during all of the questing save for a really brief cameo on the tanaan intro, and an even smaller cameo on just ONE quest in Talador (granted, its a memorable quest, but still, just one). And after that we face him on his raid, once again leaving him as an enigma we know nothing about since unlike the other warlords, he has practically no backstory at all.
All of the videos, including this one, are excellent works.
I'm not disputing the quality of the videos, obviously they're all amazing, great voice-acting, art, music, and narrative. I just felt like this one could had been better spent, just like the one about Durotan, which is a character that already had enough of a backstory. (1 entire book dedicated to him, and a good chunk of another book)
To be honest, I wish there were more episodes. For example, I'm curious about what's the deal with Cho'gall before he became obsessed with the apocalypse. Where does gul'dan's ambition came from. Etc etc.
I hope at the very least they do short stories about them similar to the one they did earlier about how Garrosh convinced his father to create the Iron Horde.
On a meta level, lol at Varian signing the War Declaration with just a seal stamp xD not even a signature, handprint or anything. So..... anyone who manages to get their hands on that seal can effectively falsify royal documents. Worse yet, the seal is not even a unique design hard to replicate, its literally just the alliance crest, which anyone could easily mass produce. Not very secure chin-man, not very secure.
I know we shouldn't expect 100% realism from these but the pedantic OCD in me couldn't avoid pointing out how funny that was for me =P
(Traditionally, to prevent this sort of thing, Royal Documents were to be sealed by a ring with a unique engraving that would be hard to replicate, and that the monarch would carry with them everywhere, not a stamp with a logo that is common enough any half-decent artist could duplicate)(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
For example, I'm curious about what's the deal with Cho'gall before he became obsessed with the apocalypse. As seen in Tides of Darkness: Power hungry and ambitious. He became obsessed with the apocalypse because he saw death and just barely escaped it when the Tomb of Sargeras was opened and it's implied that seeing gibbering flame skinned horrors(Daemons in Warcraft 2) completely shattered him.
Where does gul'dan's ambition came from. He's power mad and wants God Like power where everyone worships him and he has the power of life and death over those around him...you know, standard megalomania. Also seen in Rise of the Horde; it's not like ambition is somehow not something known among the orcs, since that was part of the reason they were able to set up the original Blackhand.
On a meta level, lol at Varian signing the War Declaration with just a seal stamp xD not even a signature, handprint or anything. So..... anyone who manages to get their hands on that seal can effectively falsify royal documents. Worse yet, the seal is not even a unique design hard to replicate, its literally just the alliance crest, which anyone could easily mass produce. Not very secure chin-man, not very secure.Course...there was a spot for him to sign; the stamp could be to prove it's an Alliance document.
Post by
Rankkor
For example, I'm curious about what's the deal with Cho'gall before he became obsessed with the apocalypse. As seen in Tides of Darkness: Power hungry and ambitious. He became obsessed with the apocalypse because he saw death and just barely escaped it when the Tomb of Sargeras was opened and it's implied that seeing gibbering flame skinned horrors(Daemons in Warcraft 2) completely shattered him.
Where does gul'dan's ambition came from. He's power mad and wants God Like power where everyone worships him and he has the power of life and death over those around him...you know, standard megalomania. Also seen in Rise of the Horde; it's not like ambition is somehow not something known among the orcs, since that was part of the reason they were able to set up the original Blackhand.
All of this is true and all, but Durotan got pretty much the entire Rise of the Horde book be about him, and even then he had a Lords of War episode. So you can see where I'm coming from by saying I wanted to see some about other less-explored characters.
On a meta level, lol at Varian signing the War Declaration with just a seal stamp xD not even a signature, handprint or anything. So..... anyone who manages to get their hands on that seal can effectively falsify royal documents. Worse yet, the seal is not even a unique design hard to replicate, its literally just the alliance crest, which anyone could easily mass produce. Not very secure chin-man, not very secure.Course...there was a spot for him to sign
Except..... he never used it. Pause the video at 4:49, the signature line is empty. It seems the seal
is
his signature. Which again, is not very secure seeing as that's a pretty common and easy to replicate seal.
Not very secure. Anyone could falsify royal documents like that. No wonder the House of Nobles has it so easy to screw him over.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
So you can see where I'm coming from by saying I wanted to see some about other less-explored characters.And that is why I like Maraad's story...because he is a lesser explored character.
And the video pulls back as soon as the seal drops so no offense, but we don't know what happened next; more then likely he signed it right after.
Post by
Rankkor
And the video pulls back as soon as the seal drops so no offense, but we don't know what happened next; more then likely he signed it right after.
Hey I'm just saying what I saw, nobody seals something without signing it, specially when the seal is dropped right on the line where you were supposed to sign in the first place (the idea being that you sign with your own handwriting, then stamp the seal over it to legitimize it).
I guess I can understand from a cinematic point of view why they did that, someone slamming a stamp down looks a lot cooler than someone writing something, but least they could do was put a small scribble on the signature line when the seal comes down. Yeah yeah that's just me nitpicking, but what can I say? sometimes I have little OCD for details like that.
So you can see where I'm coming from by saying I wanted to see some about other less-explored characters.And that is why I like Maraad's story...because he is a lesser explored character.
I'd have no problem with that if it was someone relevant to the expansion, not some dude who barely qualifies as a cameo.
=/
BTW this is less me bashing their call of making the fifth LoW chapter about Maraad, and more me bashing their decision to kill off Maraad so abruptly, anticlimaticly, and early into the expansion. If he had at least died in the last zone, or the last raid of 6.0 that'd be something, but seriously just show up twice on the first zone, not at all on the second, and then kick the bucket right at the start of the third zone? not cool blizzard, not cool.
Vast waste of a good character.
Post by
Rankkor
Whoa, the new Frostwolf Orc Male voices sound deep enough to put Barry White to shame. They sound so deep they could inhale 3 canisters of helium and still sound like they had 3 puberties. Sheesh.
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Post by
CH1MER4
So how old would an Orc have had to of been to be present and accept the gift of Mannaroth? Did they just gather them all up, or only the warrior-adult of like 18-20+ of age?
Post by
oneforthemoney
I think they had been force aging them by then, so pretty much everyone.
Post by
Adamsm
So how old would an Orc have had to of been to be present and accept the gift of Mannaroth? Did they just gather them all up, or only the warrior-adult of like 18-20+ of age?
As said in Rise of the Horde: 12 years of age for them to go into learning how to be a warrior, and ready to go a year or so later. Since Draenor was a harsh world, you were able to take the test for adulthood at 13 or 14.
Post by
Rankkor
So how old would an Orc have had to of been to be present and accept the gift of Mannaroth?
Bare minimum? 12 years old. That's the age where most orcs basically become adults, fit to bear arms. This means any orc who is still alive today and was present at the time of that ceremony, would have to be at least 60 years old, if not more.
Did they just gather them all up, or only the warrior-adult of like 18-20+ of age?
All the clans who were members of the horde were forced to abandon their ancestral lands and basically live in Hellfire Citadel by that point, so any orc who was a member of the Horde was present on the Throne of Kil'jaeden when the blood was offered. The only ones absent were the clans that refused to join the horde (Like the laughing skull, or the thunderlords of the original timeline)(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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